Mayweather vs DelaHoya

[Uke]

Roy Jones Jr. still beat the tar out of Ruiz, despite giving 30-40 lbs.

Yes he did, Tom. Yes he did.

[Tom Yum]

Many, many rappers like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Kanye West and Common have given interviews stating that unless you are willing to create music that is degrading and violent, then record execs, who are mostly White, will not let your record see the light of day. They want what SELLS. And did you know that over 75-80% of all rap sales are made by White males between 13-30? Of course you didn’t. Otherwise you’d have had better sense to have brought this up!

In case you didn't put two and two together, the money generated from Gangsta rap CD and DVD sales comes from the White community. The decision to flood the market with gangsta rap comes from White music execs. There are tons of artists who have made positive rap music that has been shelved and will never see the light of day. Hip hop artists have been forced to go underground and start independent labels just to be able to make their own music their own way without it being "gangsta-fied".

I know this.

Again, I dislike the way that some rap followers try to live vicariously or even imitate what they hear or see from said videos, I don't care what color they are or where they are from, they shouldn't be looking up to some of these guys as role models. Kids should have the sense to know when entertainment is just entertainment, but they gotta try to be cool and fit in with whatever the current style is...

I like rap music myself, but my preference is shifted toward musical creativity, comedy or creating a certain kind of sound/vibe. I'm down with Grand Master Flash, rapping about how the ghetto sucks up to groups like Pharcyde, rapping about the shallowness and akward points of human nature.

Its a shame that some of the more cerebral/funny rappers get such little exposure.

[Tom Yum]

LOL! you got me laughing

[Uke]

I'm always ranting when I write something that puts Mike Brewer at a loss for a response. Go figure!

Now, MC Mike Brewer, the resident expert on Hip Hop and minority affairs , has gone as far as to tell defend.net what's the real deal in "da ghetto". You can pretend that you believe that I said "Whitey is tryna keep da Black man down" if you like, but if we were to keep the debate on track, we would really be discussing how one man named Mike Brewer tries but barely manages to mask his obvious bias by attacking hall of famers and champions' style of dress, jewelry and the company that they keep.

The truth about all this is that you and people like you go out and buy a pair of Jordans, turn your baseball cap backwards and then instantly think that you know something about cultures that you read about in Time magazine. It KILLS you that a culture that you obviously have disdain for has become mainstream to the point where it is seen in every facet of American culture. You hate the way those in the hip hop community dress. You hate the way they talk. You hate the way they behave. And that's all obvious by your criticisms of Floyd Mayweather, which were all based on those things.

Then, when you ask Mike Brewer for proof by way evidence of damage that Floyd Mayweather's lifestyle has done to ANYONE, he moves on to the next topic because he has nothing of value to say! That's become Mike Brewer's M.O.

If you want to see Mike Brewer's idea of what Hip Hop should look, just watch the following:

[Tom Yum]

LOL. Rove dances better than I do!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I have no doubt that Oscar will beat Mayweather. Mark my words.

[medic06]

Uke,
I didn't say hip hop has damaged anyone's life, did I? What I said was I personally dislike the whole pimp wannabe thing. I said I dislike the kind of attitude Floyd projects. Why are you still trying to make that wrong? What is it that makes you so determined to change my opinion or paint me as some kind of bigot? I thought you said you didn't care?

I'll say it again. I don't like the image Floyd has chosen to put forward in this fight. I don't see how you can all at once claim that Floyd is a "real motherfucka" and that he is just putting on an act at the same time. It's one or the other, isn't it? I tend to dislike most people who act like they're better than others and wave their money around any chance they can. I dislike it whether it's done by a rap artist or whether it's done by a white collar stock broker. It's just not my taste.

So far, as evidence of how little you care about who I like or don't like, you've droned on for seven pages about everything from how little I must know about Tupac to how I'm just upset that hip hop is mainstream. This was a boxing thread, wasn't it? If you don't care who I like or don't like, why are you being so persistent? If it doesn't matter to you, why dear Uke, have you spent so much time trying to get me to say I don't like MTV's Cribs and other such nonsense? Why have you gone so far as to take it upon yourself to tell me what I hate? Do you really think for a second that you know me that well?

You know, sometimes, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

And I still don't like Floyd.

Stop hatin' . . .

[Uke]

I have no doubt that Oscar will beat Mayweather. Mark my words.

I have no doubt that it can happen. This topic was never about a guaranteed Mayweather victory. DLH has a great chance being that Mayweather has gone up to 154lbs. Just like Mayorga would have had a much better chance against DLH at welterweight.

Its not a question of who is better skilled. Its a question of who is more comfortable and at home at this weight division. DLH could have gone down to welterweight and fought him, but I believe that he needed the advantage of being the bigger man at 154lbs to even stand a chance.

So if Floyd loses, it won't that big of a heart break because people know that he had to literally chase DLH to get a match.

But time will tell.

[Uke]

Stop hatin' . . .

Another brief and concise wrap up.

[Micker]

I have no doubt that Oscar will beat Mayweather. Mark my words.

While I would love to see that, this reminds me of the Matt Hughes/Royce Gracie fight. Looks like a good matchup, but one is a legend who is out of his prime, and the other is a current champ in his prime. De La Hoya is in for a beating I believe.

[Uke]

While I would love to see that, this reminds me of the Matt Hughes/Royce Gracie fight. Looks like a good matchup, but one is a legend who is out of his prime, and the other is a current champ in his prime. De La Hoya is in for a beating I believe.

I disagree. Royce Gracie has fought and beaten some great fighters in his career. DLH has always had to rely on corrupt judges to bestow gift decisions upon him against elite fighters.

DLH is a good boxer who had great politics behind him. Any real boxing fan or student knows that.

If Mayweather were to lose now, it wouldn't surprise me because this is his first and only fight at this weight. As much as the betting odds have Mayweather as the favorite, its not wise to bet on a fighter that you haven't seen perform at a new weight.

Case in point: Ricky Hatton Vs Luis Collazo. They thought Collazo would be a tune up/walk in the park for Hatton. It turned out that Hatton survived that match but really got outboxed. He went back down to jr welterweight immediately after.

[Tom Yum]

And I still don't like Floyd.

Who can resist the orginal "Bricks in the Wall"?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Royce Gracie has fought and beaten some great fighters in his career.

Na, he really hasnt

[Uke]

Na, he really hasnt

Well, I think he did. Ken Shamrock was something real different when he was younger. Many saw Bas Rutten as a great fighter, and 2 of his 4 losses are to Ken Shamrock. Dan Severn was a good fighter as well who defeated Ken Shamrock, Oleg Taktarov, Conan Silveira. Let's not forget Kimo, who I might add beat Sakuraba who was known as the Gracie killer. So you're entitled to your opinion and so am I.

And Gracie did all those things without help from corrupt decisions. That's more than I can say for DLH. He hasn't been known throughout boxing for years as Chicken DelaHoya for nothing.

DLH can only begin to rebuild credibility off of a victory over Floyd. Floyd will only be adding another name to the list of victims if he wins. Don't let Mike Brewer's sidetracked commentary fool you. The significance of this match has to do with the supposed bad blood between Floyd and DLH that stems from Floyd's father training DLH.

The stakes aren't as high as some think because a win against the smaller and less experienced at jr middleweight Mayweather won't do much for DLH's legacy because he won't outbox Floyd. DLH can only hope to catch him with something powerful. If Floyd wins, it won't do too much for his legacy because there have been serious questions about DLH for years.

After DLH lost to Shane Mosley, he made his "big comeback" against a washed up Vargas. After he lost to Mosley again, he tried to have another "big comeback" against Felix Sturm, but clearly got outboxed and got the decision anyway. Then after he got schooled and was left screaming on the canvas from a body blow from Hopkins, he made his "big comeback" against Mayorga, who had already been destroyed in Trinidad's comeback 19 months earlier.

[Uke]

Unless of course you're not a Mayweather fan. Then you're in for six or seven pages of Uke telling you he doesn't care who you like and then slamming you for the things you don't like.

Well, if people look back at those 7 pages, they learned more about both fighters from reading who's posts?

I gave the scoop about boxing and its fighters.

While all Mike Brewer wound up saying was:

"I HATE Floyd Mayweather."