Wing Chun or Shaolin?

[Thai Bri]

i apologize for hurting Emptyness and Jubaji's fragile sensibilities on wing chun, i was giving a personal experience on a public forum. i guess wing chun doesnt teach humility. again, i apologize, didnt mean to offend anyone, but attacking someone else's comments on a public forum makes no sense. (a sensible argument or discussion i understand) but there was really no need for that. I bet you also believe because you have more posts on a forum on the internet you are more experienced than me right? maybe yes, maybe not. but no need for that Emptyness and from what i've read so far on the chinese fight arts forum everyone is stuck in their ways with no open mind to anything else no wonder bruce lee decided to go his own path.
Adios to the chinese fighting arts forums

Adios Dick Head!

[aku aku]

wing chun isnt bad at all, its a great art, looks impressive but in my personal experience, it was awful i actually felt bad for the guys, we were having a discussion one day at my old job and i over heard these two guys talkin about how great wing chun is and new techniques they learned, and what not, so i was interested and was like can u show me something? and boy were those punches FAST! so i was like cool. do you guys wanna spar? and they looked at each other and laughed. i mean seriously laughed and put me down with jokes. so i was like fine whatever and was about to walk away when they were like fine we warned you. so i got anxious and was like cool lets go. so anyway the first guy came flailing at me with what i guess u call chain punching? and i just moved a bit to the side, clinched him and elbowed, HUGE CUT, second guy saw and was pissed as hell and screamin he was gonna kill me and he came flying at me too with some crazy manuver and i just right hooked him. dude's jaw broke. and im not even huge at all. but this guy stood up to me with his chin out. i couldnt resist. anyway, in my personal experience wing chun was not useful and only got me fired from a job. and they were also saying how they knew soo many techniques and how they could counter one punch with like a bajillion different other techniques. the 2nd guy must have launched like 90 techniques before he even got close to me, i couldnt understand why he did that. anyway i just used 3 manuvers and beat two guys who grew up learning wing chun while i trained in muay thai for like 4 months.

Sounds like those people either haven't trained very long or they were poorly trained. I don't think that's the fault of wing chun though.

[Thai Bri]

Or, of course, they were training in a second rate art.

A good friend of mine regular writes for Black Belt magazine. Back in the day he regularly took part in "Animal Day" type training. He had a dedicated Wing Chun guy join. This guy refused to learn any of the more functional moves they trained there, as he preferred to rely on his WC to get him through.

He got pasted, time and time again. No exceptions. He stopped going.....

[aku aku]

Or, of course, they were training in a second rate art.

A good friend of mine regular writes for Black Belt magazine. Back in the day he regularly took part in "Animal Day" type training. He had a dedicated Wing Chun guy join. This guy refused to learn any of the more functional moves they trained there, as he preferred to rely on his WC to get him through.

He got pasted, time and time again. No exceptions. He stopped going.....

I just don't think an experienced wing chun fighter would blindly charge past you with chain punches flying. An inexperienced wing chun fighter may do that or might not know how to make the art work but I don't think it's inherently flawed.

[Thai Bri]

Care too back that up with any verifiable accounts of genuine WC fighting prowess?

[medic06]

I've met crappy martial artist from nearly every style. What's your point?

[Thai Bri]

Yes, so have I.

My point is this, thicko. I havent met any good ones from Wing Chun.

Get it?

Durrrrrr.

[Tom Yum]

I just don't think an experienced wing chun fighter would blindly charge past you with chain punches flying..

That gives me a funny mental image....

[BoarSpear]

hey Bri ever crossed paths with Duncan Leung or any of his students? Duncan teaches WC like no one else i have ever seen IE: its effective

http://members.tripod.com/~Wing_Chun/article.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Wing_Chun/hpageie.html

Duncan has moved back to China, he left a Hop Gar school he crosstrained with in his old school location with several of his top instructors in charge...i used to leave class with Paul Vunak and race to Duncans class back in the late 80's many SF types were in his classes (some piled in the car from VU's) and made use of his teachings. However the typical WC school tends to be rather unimpressive, i agree.

[medic06]

Yes, so have I.

My point is this, thicko. I havent met any good ones from Wing Chun.

Get it?

Durrrrrr.

Stay out of the McDojos and maybe you would.

Durrrrr. LOL

[Thai Bri]

Thats partly my point. Wing Chun went the way of Karate and TKD - McDojo land.

I'm sure there are tough people in the WC world, just like there are some in the Karate/TKD world.

But they're as rare as rockin horse shite.

[medic06]

Honestly, how many people in the world total do you think have any decent fighting skill?

[Thai Bri]

103,984.

Exactly.

[aku aku]

Care too back that up with any verifiable accounts of genuine WC fighting prowess?

I'm afraid I don't have any. The story above describes the incorrect way to use chain punches so I assumed those people had little experience. It does seem though that when you have a crappy fighter the fault could usually be traced back to the type of training rather than the style. I've been to schools of different styles that don't teach you how to fight but it was the way they trained that was at fault.

[Thai Bri]

Trainging methods are more important than styles. After all, there are only certain ways that we can throw our limbs about, so this strike or that kick in one style isn't all that dissimilar to the same moves in another.

It is precisely the training methods that count.

So, which arts do you think are best? The ones who hit bags whilst on the move? Who hit each other whilst wearing protective equipment? Who train their bodies through arduous physical exercises?

Or the ones who barely break into a sweat, wiggling their arms about in thin air?