Wing Chun - an overview of its training methods and effectiveness.

[bcbernam777]

No. Jeet June Do does not exist. Neither does Shaolin Chowga or Gin Mo Kune. Tae Kwon Do and Shotokan are plainly the same. And "kickboxing" can mean anything.

Pathetic.

Ok smart arse

Jeet Kune Do (and you must really not be able to think outside the square if you couldn't pick that one)

Shaolin Chowga does exsist because I studied it. I was told it was a Vietnamese derivative of Shaolin, but like many CMA's it was nodoubt introduced into Northern Vietnam, probably from a migrating Han family (which is also what haoppened with Wing Chun)

Gin mo kune also does exsist infact I have noted down the Sifu if you want to be arsed checking

Sayng Tae Kwon Do and Shotokan is the same shows your own ignorance Thai, they both have differnent emphasis, they are from totally different countries and where adapted to the terrain surrounding them.

Thai Kickboxing in Sydney (of course every man and his dog a re teahing Kickboxing now so whether or not it is the purre form I have no Ide [though I suspect not])

Think befoer you speak Thai, it is generally advisable

[Tom Yum]

Shaolin Chowga (a Vietnamese derivitave of Shaolin)

Is that good enough for you thai?

The name Shaolin Chowga is confusing if you understand the Chinese characters. Saying that its a Vietnamese derivative adds to the confusion.

Its like saying one studies Manchester style boxing, an Irish derivative (forgive me Bri).

Chowga or Zhou Jia literally translates as Chow Family or Zhou Family. Chow and Zhou are the same names, except Chow is cantonese and Zhou is mandarin. Perhaps the Chow family had an ancestor from the shaolin temple.....anyone kung-fu experts know? Boar??

If it were a vietnamese derivative, it would probably sound a bit different; southern chinese dialects are vaguely like vietnamese. Like comparing French and Portugese.

The point is that it could not be a vietnamese derivative if its called chowga. Make sense?

Not trying to rag on you man, just pointing out something that doesn't add up.

[Thai Bri]

No. Jeet June Do does not exist. Neither does Shaolin Chowga or Gin Mo Kune. Tae Kwon Do and Shotokan are plainly the same. And "kickboxing" can mean anything.

Pathetic.

[bcbernam777]

What were the other arts? Painting? Fllower arranging?

Jeet June Do (under the Dan inosanto system)

Tae Kwon Do (Jhoon Rhee)

Shotokan

Shaolin Chowga (a Vietnamese derivitave of Shaolin)

Gin Mo Kune (derivitive of Shaolin under Sifu Malcaolm Sue in Perth WA)

Kickboxing

Is that good enough for you thai?

[Thai Bri]

What were the other arts? Painting? Fllower arranging?

[bcbernam777]

Dude Phil, you like totally got me wanting to do WC, which is the real stuff with absolutely no bulls*it and no rules as well! You helped me and hopefully others realize that sport grappling and sport striking arts like boxing are at least a little bit inferior to the supreme Wing Chun. Thanks!

Absolutly, I have studied 7 different arts over my live time since 8 years old, so far I have not found a stand alone system that can hold a candle to Wing chun

[jubaji]

Wing Chun has 22 alphabets. Even that ios more than anyone will ever need.

You are on the right lines. Go for it!

......................Troll

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Dude Phil, you like totally got me wanting to do WC, which is the real stuff with absolutely no bulls*it and no rules as well! You helped me and hopefully others realize that sport grappling and sport striking arts like boxing are at least a little bit inferior to the supreme Wing Chun. Thanks!

[Phil Elnore]

Wing Chun has 22 alphabets. Even that ios more than anyone will ever need.

You are on the right lines. Go for it!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

My 28 alphabets of wingchun will stop the force of your mere 8 alphabets. If you try to fight me up close I use my wingchun if you try to take me down I will trap your arm and attack you 4 times, would you want risk geting your other arm trap too? Therefore, WingChun is superior.

Convinced?

[jubaji]

Is this loser the reincarnation of sherwinc?

[JkD187]

I have been to many GJJ schools, and defeated all comers. I cannot say where, though, as I have accepted a sum of money (merely as a token) for my silence.

Just trust in simple mathematics for the answers. Sticky handed re-direction of force will beat outside muscle any day of the week.

hey i found the solution!!!! 2+2=

[Phil Elnore]

Now we see it plain and simple !! You dare not fight no rules. You impose simple silliness to impose an empty victory.

The serpent wins unless you disallow the bite and the squeeze. You nonsense person.

Wing Chun has the Crane and the Snake. I fly. I slither and I slide. Simple physics!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

When I train these grapple ground based worms I do so to no rules. Bui Jee transcends their phoney arm lock nonsense, and their attempts to twist me up are easily beaten.

Remember, the Viper beats the Python!

What do you mean "no rules", its obviously a grappling match, meaning no striking, but everything else goes, except for like biting and eye gougeing. The only way you would be able to defeat GJJ or SG experts in GRAPPLING is if you were to be an expert in a grappling art yourself!

[IPON]

Like all myth and legend behind Wing Chun there is not one credible source that links or names speed of learning as the foundation of WC. The foundation is built on simplicity, efficiency and economy of motion, which may have the intonation of meaning it can be learnt quickly, however you will find it takes a long time and much energy to "strip away the innessentials" I do agree however that ultimatly it does come down to both the teacher and the student.

I think we a talking semantics, perhaps I should have used history to replace foundation. The point is WC was developed to be an effective system in a comparatively short time. The efficiency and economy was a function of designing a system that could be used quickly. However, even if that were just legend and myth as you say, school espouses this belief so who should bare the blame when they [schools] come up emptied handed. Bruce Lee did not learn the entire system when he first arrived in the US but he was very effective with what was learned. My point is merely that, when a persons art is criticized, the first argument is "well if you had studied for 20years or if you went to Hong Kong and study with the right people, etc" I can make WC work that all I care about, but I know from previous posts that Thai practically lived at the kwoon. While I don't agree with his assessment of all WC I can understand and respect his view or others that feel similar.