Jackie Chan V Bruce Lee

[Sanitarium]

Or maybe not! don't assume that by virtue of study "JKD" you or your Sifu can beat anyone .... my friend that is simply stupid.

Ehm, let's get one thing straight here. It was Cue Ball that said the equivalent of 'the sifu would beat you senseless'. Well duh, he is probably twice as big as me, has been doing MA for years and years. Me saying that with my sifu, it'd be quite different, is simply showing him that it's ridiculous saying that a wushu sifu could beat me, because I'm not at their level.

Slaps, I geuss you refer to pak sao and yes you must have just started so why are you claiming such proficiency and how do you know what a Wushu stylist would do.

I didn't claim any proficiency. In fact, I did actually say that I only recently started. I don't know exactly what a Wushu stylist would do, but I know that they don't teach the same 'dirty' moves as something like JKD/MT. Why? Because then it'd be called jkd or mt, not Wushu. I would probably lose to most of a Wushu dojo simply because they're more experienced than me in 'fighting' in general, ie. conditioning, power base. But what I did say is that it's only been a short while and I've been taught some quite nasty techniques, and I know that other, more traditiona MAs don't teach these. Which MAY give me an advantage.

MT and other stuff

Yes, JKD is a concept not a specific style. It pulls techniques from other MAs like MT (and we all know how effective MT is, don't we). Therefore in theory of course it is better than Wushu.

Sanitarium, has it ever occured to you why there are very few - if any - Kung Fu tournaments in the Western world? Because people are bound to get seriously hurt. Kung Fu - in any form - is not a sport, at least not in the same way as TKD, Karate, Judo, Mauy Thai, etc.

That "slap" (pok sou) you refer to is a potential fight ender, as are most moves in Kung Fu. At your next lesson, have one of your expeienced classmates deliver a pok sou to the corner of your jaw, below the ear. Then you will understand why tournaments don't go very far. The winners go on, while the losers go to hospital.

I know that. But there are some tournaments like UFC/K-1 which allow most moves, including pok sou. Why is there never a Wushu practioner in them? I haven't seen every one, but I've seen most and can't remember there being one.

As for pissing contests, i.e: My Sifu can do this, my Sifu can do that, It'd be a different question with my Sifu... How old are you?

Probably the same as or older than you, judging by;

Step into a wushu kwoon and say that out loud. I dare say someone there will disagree. Someone may even ask you to put your money where your mouth is. Should that happen - especially if it's the Sifu - you WILL find out Wushu is something more than a dance.

hmm? I didn't even mention anybody's Sifu before you. I responded by implying that a Wushu sifu beating me would prove nothing whatsoever, but a fight between a Wushu sifu and a JKD sifu would be quite different. Is it that hard to understand? Hardly a pissing contest on my part.

Do yourself a favor: learn your art. With it, you may learn that it dosen't matter who's best, who's fastest, who's strongest. It's the guy that gets in the first strike the wins.

Of course. But I never disputed that. What CAN be debated is whether the MA of Wushu is better/worse in theory than another MA, by talking about it's concepts and techniques.

This statement shows that you doesn't know about what you speaks. In your place I would rather think over other things.

Well feel free to correct me then. As you don't even train where I do how do you know how they teach JKD?

[MAMike]

Well feel free to correct me then. As you don't even train where I do how do you know how they teach JKD?

JKD isn't basically just a combo of Muay Thai with other stuff...... Who's your instructor?

[mysticdragon]

Guy

Maybe your right but the truth is we will never know because one is dead and the other is alive. So who are we to judge.

[guy incognito]

Maybe your right but the truth is we will never know because one is dead and the other is alive. So who are we to judge.

Yeah true.But i will say that im glad we get to remember Bruce in his prime and not fading away in a nursing home.

[mysticdragon]

guy

I agree with youBruce lee will always be remebered by the people that love him. I say that he was the best from the best.

[sherwinc]

and sherwinc
parts b,e, and f on the list of bruce lee's arts...totally not true

1. Bruce Lee Knows Angka KungFu
You may oftenly seen it in many of its films the AngKa trademark (it is a pointed finger upward)... and you may see it in one of his AngKa KungFu instructor in one of its Documentary CD Life Story of Bruce Lee, they exchange knowledge, that instructor teach bruce AngKa KungFu while in exchange Bruce will teach him how to dance ChaCha....

2. Bruce Lee knows WuShu KungFu
If you only see in his movie Enter The Dragon, before the tournament begins, he is on a room practicing jumping WuShu Kicks and there the scarface man enters on his room and Bruce Lee shouted him "Outside" then he execute a straight WuShu LongPunch again.... and he did plenty of WuShu kicks on most of his films especially in Fist of Fury and as you may see in one of his Bruce Lee's Documentary CD that he do Jumping WuShu Kicks in a Karate Tournament while he is carrying a whip....

3. Bruce Lee know Tiger & Crane KungFu
If you only see in one of his Documentary CD that he is advise to show to the public to see how to walk like a Chinese Opera and then someone told him to show his gungfu and Bruce Lee said that this this the way the Crane Moves, then he perform, then Bruce Lee said that this is the way the Tiger Moves, then he perform again.......

Note:
m.artist - i have 3 Bruce Lee Life Story Documentary CD here and i watch it often...... so i know it.....
1. Bruce Lee (The Journey) CD
2. Bruce Lee (CD with a game of death lost and recovered footage) CD
3. Bruce Lee (The Life Story) CD

[IPON]

I didn't claim any proficiency.

"Actually, I dunno. If you got a Wushu guy who was a similiar height/weight to me (5'8 110lbs) I would probably go straight for his head/face with some slaps and elbows or clinch and knee and afaik wushu isn't too hot on knees/elbows."

In fact, I did actually say that I only recently started. I don't know exactly what a Wushu stylist would do, but I know that they don't teach the same 'dirty' moves as something like JKD/MT. Why? Because then it'd be called jkd or mt, not Wushu. I would probably lose to most of a Wushu dojo simply because they're more experienced than me in 'fighting' in general, ie. conditioning, power base. But what I did say is that it's only been a short while and I've been taught some quite nasty techniques, and I know that other, more traditiona MAs don't teach these. Which MAY give me an advantage.

Listen, every style has nasty dirty techniques, you have just gotten exposure to JKD fine. My point is don't make assumptions about what you or your Sifu could do especially when you are not even familiar with another style. This issue is never what your sifu can do it is what can YOU accomplish. Your Sifu's prowess will not help you at 2:00AM walking home from the club. Don't make it a this style vs that style.

Also, please read and educate your self about JKD it definately is not what you seem to think. It is not "Oh Bruce took the 250 million MA styles on the planet and made an martial art style in 5 years"


The point is no matter the style or your proficency do not get overconfident, or so readily accept somone's words that you do not allow yourself to think. To do that my friend will lead you down the wrong path and may get you hurt. At a minimum you will hurt your MA develpment.

My 2 cents

Back to the thread. Jackie was a stunt man in Bruce Lee films they knew each other and had respect...they would not have fought. Jet Li was/is thought to be the the only MAist that could a replacement (sucessor) for Lee in terms of movies, if youch watch his other (kung fu) movies you may agree well see fist of legend or Tai Chi master (I think that is it)

[guy incognito]

To blindly beleive in your style will get you hurt no doubt your right Ipon.
Jet Li is as capable MAist as he is performer.Bruce did use jakie as a stunt man you can see him get kicked through a wall in one movie not sure which one though.

[mysticdragon]

jet li is my best and first choice I love him

[IPON]

1. Bruce Lee Knows Angka KungFu
You may oftenly seen it in many of its films the AngKa trademark (it is a pointed finger upward).

Wow really did it look like this


LOL - sorry sherwic I just had to do that

[guy incognito]

Wow really did it look like this


LOL - sorry sherwic I just had to do that

Ha! Good one I dont think it was that way though!

[Tom Yum]

1. Bruce Lee Knows Angka KungFu
You may oftenly seen it in many of its films the AngKa trademark (it is a pointed finger upward)... and you may see it in one of his AngKa KungFu instructor in one of its Documentary CD Life Story of Bruce Lee, they exchange knowledge, that instructor teach bruce AngKa KungFu while in exchange Bruce will teach him how to dance ChaCha....

2. Bruce Lee knows WuShu KungFu
If you only see in his movie Enter The Dragon, before the tournament begins, he is on a room practicing jumping WuShu Kicks and there the scarface man enters on his room and Bruce Lee shouted him "Outside" then he execute a straight WuShu LongPunch again.... and he did plenty of WuShu kicks on most of his films especially in Fist of Fury and as you may see in one of his Bruce Lee's Documentary CD that he do Jumping WuShu Kicks in a Karate Tournament while he is carrying a whip....

3. Bruce Lee know Tiger & Crane KungFu
If you only see in one of his Documentary CD that he is advise to show to the public to see how to walk like a Chinese Opera and then someone told him to show his gungfu and Bruce Lee said that this this the way the Crane Moves, then he perform, then Bruce Lee said that this is the way the Tiger Moves, then he perform again.......

1. Its Hung Gar kung fu. 'Ang ka' sounds like a Hokkien pronounciation...

2. Bruce Lee trained in Tae Kwon Do with TKD grandmaster Jhoon Rhee. Remember? His flashy kicks are not all kung fu kicks.

3. He even makes a funny little noise to imitate the crane.

[guy incognito]

MMmmmmmm! Hokkien.
Lunch time bye!

[sherwinc]

1. Its Hung Gar kung fu. 'Ang ka' sounds like a Hokkien pronounciation...

2. Bruce Lee trained in Tae Kwon Do with TKD grandmaster Jhoon Rhee. Remember? His flashy kicks are not all kung fu kicks.

3. He even makes a funny little noise to imitate the crane.

perhaps you are a kungfu ignorant....

1. Hung Gar is a Tiger and Crane while Angka is a Northern Shaolin KungFu and it is a sister art of NgoChoKun. AngKa is a very popular KungFu and in even in movies you could frequently see AngKa.....

Have you seen a movie American Shaolin???? its ending there - in the ring there's the sign - a palm with a pointing finger upward... AngKa and NgoChoKun - both of them are in the same year invented, but NgoChoKun travels into a straight lineage and it goes into a southern Chinese Martial Arts while AngKa(the sister art of GoChoKun) its lineage spread to all over parts of the world and it is a Northern Chinese Martial Arts....

AngKa has its one animal merged - that animal is a Tiger Style KungFu.....

Even Beggars KungFu Society, Arhat's KungFu is also an AngKa KungFu...

If you seen the movie "Dragon, The Bruce Lee Story" with Jason Scott Lee, his opponent Wong Jack Man - he made a sign of AngKa (a palm with a pointed finger upward)

my instructor said that the worst enemy of the Eagle Style KungFu is AngKa KungFu due to its "Iron Skin / Golden Bell Cover" that the bloody claws of Eagle Style cannot penetrate to the iron skin of AngKa, while the Eagle Claw Style KungFu favorite enemy is the Snake Style KungFu..... Snake Style KungFu has no power training but - even you reach 3 lives of you life practicing Snake Style KungFu you still cannot master all its unlimited technique, but theres no hand conditioning or power training and that is the reason why Snake Style KungFu is easily beaten by the Southern Eagle Claw Style KungFu (Not a Northern Eagle Claw cause Northern Style Eagle Claw KungFu is a shit KungFu)

Hey, did you see Bruce Lee waiving his hands (palm) with a pointing finger upward and he said "ooopss, a, a, ahh!!!!" it is a sign of an AngKa trademark....

AngKa KungFu is commonly used by Jackie Chan on his most Old Traditional Movies like those of Drunken Master II.... his mother told him to use the Drunken Style KungFu while he is previosly showing his AngKa KungFu to the public


2. It is not Tae Kwon Do, its a WuShu Kick. Tae Kwon Do uses rear leg and its bullshit..... while WuShu used leading kicks. Tae Kwon Do do most of his kicks with Roundhouses family type of kicks while Wushu and Southern KungFu family types of kicks use Lead leg and plenty of crescent kicks direct with no TELEGRAPHIC to the eye of the opponent......

[Tom Yum]

perhaps you are a kungfu ignorant....


2. It is not Tae Kwon Do, its a WuShu Kick. Tae Kwon Do uses rear leg and its bullshit..... while WuShu used leading kicks. Tae Kwon Do do most of his kicks with Roundhouses family type of kicks while Wushu and Southern KungFu family types of kicks use Lead leg and plenty of crescent kicks direct with no TELEGRAPHIC to the eye of the opponent......

Wrong. TKD kicking uses both front and rear leg.