Jackie Chan V Bruce Lee

[m.artist]

Sherwinc said:
If you seen the movie "Dragon, The Bruce Lee Story" with Jason Scott Lee, his opponent Wong Jack Man - he made a sign of AngKa (a palm with a pointed finger upward

plz do not use that as an excuse to say bruce did that...that was the biggest load of crap i have ever seen..that was a horrible movie and didn't tell the truth...

[guy incognito]

When I did TKD I used to kick almost exclusively of the leading foot in sparring.What are you talking about?

[IPON]

plz do not use that as an excuse to say bruce did that...that was the biggest load of crap i have ever seen..that was a horrible movie and didn't tell the truth...

Hey the movie was great if you DIDN'T know all the facts (and how distorted the timelinmes wer and...etc etc etc)

[IPON]

When I did TKD I used to kick almost exclusively of the leading foot in sparring.What are you talking about?

Now I think we know the problem with Sherwic. The TKD BB he sparrs with sucks, no wonder he think KF is better that everything

[Sanitarium]

"Actually, I dunno. If you got a Wushu guy who was a similiar height/weight to me (5'8 110lbs) I would probably go straight for his head/face with some slaps and elbows or clinch and knee and afaik wushu isn't too hot on knees/elbows."

I don't see your point. That's not claiming proficiency. Slaps and elbows are basic moves. If I'd have said 'I'd floor him because I'm really good at JKD' then yes I'd be claiming proficiency. I also said he had to the the same size as me. If I was proficient that wouldn't matter.

Listen, every style has nasty dirty techniques, you have just gotten exposure to JKD fine. My point is don't make assumptions about what you or your Sifu could do especially when you are not even familiar with another style. This issue is never what your sifu can do it is what can YOU accomplish. Your Sifu's prowess will not help you at 2:00AM walking home from the club. That's don't make it a this vs that style.

Umm...I didn't? Read what I said again. I said that a Wushu sifu beating me would mean nothing, but it would be different if it was my (a JKD) sifu vs a Wushu one. Now that would prove something (more).

Also, please read and educate your self about JKD it definately is not what you seem to think. It is not "Oh Bruce took the 250 million MA styles on the planet and made an martial art style in 5 years" :rolleys:

Whatever, don't twist my words. Everyone has their own JKD and different teachers teach different JKD. At my dojo it happens to be a combination of modifed MT, boxing, grappling moves with a constant emphasis on body mechanics and Bruce's concepts, give or take a bit.

I don't see the big deal, I'm not overconfident, I don't hide being my teacher, I'm still only learning and I'm physically small. I believe that JKD is better than Wushu and that Wushu is more of a dance than a martial art, that's all. (don't say wushu = chinese kung fu, else why call it wushu)

[IPON]

Sanatarium, Look it is very simple. It is obvious you know very, very, little about JKD (whether considered a style or philosophy). Which is understandable becuase you just started. Worse you know somewhere between even less than very little to nothing about wushu and kung fu in general. My point is simple if you don't know about the style how can you say what you would or would not do against a practicioner. Wushu is not "a dance" as you claim. Your sifu chaleging a wushu practionor means what? Your Sifu is unbeatable. If he told you that please get your money back. if you believe that you have a lot to learn my friend. Kung fu refers more to a working philosophy/ethic which is applied to MA though it is associated with chinese boxing it is a generic term (e.g. you can demonstrate kung fu gardening or painting). Wushu is the term for for chinese MA and it is very much a fighting art and it is a sport, like many styles have a sport aspect. Again, read about JKD and don't make so many assumptions about of ther styles. Otherwise, believe what you will my friend.

[sherwinc]

Wrong. TKD kicking uses both front and rear leg.

when you execute your 45, 45 kick, you first raise your rear leg and it is an another reason for a telegraphic move.......

when you execute your spinning back kick, you first raise you rear leg.....

how many kicking examples do i have to convince you that Tae Kwon Do mostly use thier rear leg and almost all of their moves are all telegraphic especially thier fist/hand combinations???????

CONVINCED NOW????????

[Tameo]

Also many times I have seen TKD guys off balance when kicking.

[guy incognito]

Ummm.Heaps of times before they told me to stop comming to training drunk!

[Cue Ball]

True, a lot of TKD (and similar styles) practioners are off balance when they kick. The only people I have actually seen with good to excellent balance (outside of actors), were my former TKD master (6th Degree), his son (2nd Degree), and a senior instructor who left under a cloud (2nd Degree, later 3rd in ITF, we were an affiliate of WTF). To watch any of these three in action was magic. Mind you, the amount of training they each put in was as close to full time as the demands of work/school permitted. Basically, balance equals and reflects commitment (and healthy inner ears, duh).

[Sanitarium]

Sanatarium, Look it is very simple. It is obvious you know very, very, little about JKD (whether considered a style or philosophy).

Yet you still fail to bother correcting me. I know the principles and all the other crap. Economy of motion, body mechanics, no telegraphing, simplicity, don't think, feel, etc. People apply JKD in different ways because we can't all be like Lee. And if that means taking the most basic, brutal moves from other MAs like MT, Wing Chun or BJJ then that's your own JKD.

Worse you know somewhere between even less than very little to nothing about wushu and kung fu in general.

I know enough about it to know that Lee would beat Li, the mere theory of JKD itself ranks it above any other MA, and Li is nowhere near as fit as Lee was. Wushu is a collection of chinese styles with different emphasis' in each right? That can't be good. Instead of talking, link me to a video with a Wushu stylist beating someone who does BJJ or MT.

My point is simple if you don't know about the style how can you say what you would or would not do against a practicioner.

Because it makes sense? You don't know what a street thug is gonna do to you but it doesn't stop you doing things in defense does it? You just use the most simple, brutal moves you can think of.

Your sifu chaleging a wushu practionor means what? Your Sifu is unbeatable. If he told you that please get your money back.

Go back and read my post again, don't try and twist this against me. Cueball mentioned a Wushu sifu, I told him that a Wushu sifu beating me would mean jack shit. A Wushu sifu against a JKD sifu might actually prove something. I won't repeat that again!

[Nothingness]

Geez, I can't believe that we are involved in this Asian American kids' wet dream discussion .

Since this is rather pointless, anyway. Let me make it more interesting just for fun.

Bolo Yeung at his prime will whoop Chan and Li's asses. How's that? . We both know that Yeung and Lee refused to fight each other even in a movie.

Yeung currently resides in LA area. You should see him lift weight. He is at his 50s I think and I saw him doing flat bench fly with 105lbs in each arm. Imagime what he could do at his prime .

If your technic is not much superior, mass(weight) still rules. How's that?

[guy incognito]

What are you talking about Bolo has superb technique.Did you know his chosen art is Tai chi?

[Nothingness]

my sentiment exactly . he has the posture and the technic.

[guy incognito]

And not forgetting that he's built like a thug!Man he's huge.