Chinese MAs in Real Life?

[Ravin]

I'm sorry if you think my saying I just started meant the day I made that post. Most people don't have that narrow of an outlook on life. Just started can actually mean more than a day, a month, oh heck, if you;re over twenty it could even mean more than a year.

Either you dont speak proper english or your a liar. Just starting something doesnt usually mean you've done it for over a year. Even if your telling the truth a year experience still means you know little about MA.

Just starting in MA at the age of 41. Been taking a class on self defense from my sons karate teacher. He asked me if I would be his deciple in Xing Yi. I'm looking forward to learning from him.

Isn't this what you said ealier. IF your just starting something it still means your a beginner and doesnt know much about that something. Also you did say you just started MA which means Martial Arts so that means your a begineer to Martial Arts dumbass.

[polecat63]

Polecat: I do not study MT, but from what I understand the term "competition" is probably very much an understatement. There was alot of broken bones and blood coming from these competitions in the early days

Yeah, from what I've read it was very brutal, and nothing like what we would think a competition is.

[polecat63]

Thats what i meant.. this idiot (polecat) doesnt know anything. 1 minute the faggot says he started martial arts the next minute he knows everything. Kickboxing would work on the street mainly due to the boxing and also the fact you get alot of contact sparring as well as the low kicks you learn and yeh da Muay thai elbows, clinch and knees def have been used in "real fights" and have worked. And also the part about physical attributes(strength, conditioning and endurance) is true and chinese martial arts speaking from experience ( 2 years of wushu) doesnt stress that as much as kickboxing,boxing or Muay thai except maybe the (flexability part).Finally most streetfights suck their mostly 2 losers throwing 20 shitty punches at each other ( in which case kickboxing would give you a advantage) or other fights have weapons or multiple attackers are involved ( when who you know and what you carry comes in handy). Stop watching "streetfighter" Polecat seems like you've been brainwashed in the 1st 2 lessons of what ever the **** you JUST STARTED learning

Stop crying, admit you were wrong and get on with your life. This is only a forum, doofus. I'm sorry if you think my saying I just started meant the day I made that post. Most people don't have that narrow of an outlook on life. Just started can actually mean more than a day, a month, oh heck, if you;re over twenty it could even mean more than a year. Why didn't you just check my profile and see what that said. You'd rather just re-post what somebody else posted. Easier I guess.

Heaven forbid if anyone should live outside your narrow parameters. Heaven forbid if anyone should call you out when you are obviously talking out your ass. What? you can tell me I'm lying, but when you say something stupid I can't call you on it. I was unaware that this was Ravin' World, or That'a So Ravin.

So Garland makes a post and you say, "That's what I meant" and you're a guru again? You were still wrong and garland just repeated what I said. Damn, try reading the WHOLE post and stop chopping it up to make yourselves look cool.
If you daon't know something take two seconds and look it up online. That way you won't look so stupid.

Calling me a faggot, huh? Sounds like someone might be a little homophobic, you know what that means!!

I wonder why this forum is populated by so many trolls, and that why they never seem to last long on other forums.........
Now, how about an on topic post?

[IPON]

Kickboxing would work on the street mainly due to the boxing

I think I agree with most of what you are saying but polcat is right in that kickboxing evolved from full contact karate and I can tell you from experience the "boxing" from kick boxers is generally poor. Now of course I mean in relation to boxers, but of course far better than a person not used to fighting or boxing. If I were to choose I would take a competent boxer over a kick boxer any day. Just my opinion from my experience.

I think what polecat was trying to say was that kickboxing wasn't borne from the street (battle field) like say MT, FMA or jujutsu etc. it was created strictly for competition in the ring. So it can't technically be considered a "street style". But as Garland stated any style trained for combat (street) application will be effective Wrestling, Boxing etc.

It's derived from Muaythai which started as a defensive art but has been a competition art since around 1300 AD.

Polecat: I do not study MT, but from what I understand the term "competition" is probably very much an understatement. There was alot of broken bones and blood coming from these competitions in the early days

[polecat63]

Firstly...muay thai was derived from krabbi krabong, which was an OFFENSIVE based art. These precursors to modern muay thai were not meant for the ring or the "street", but devised for killing and maiming in battle. (rent Sukiyothai)

Secondly - what the **** would you consider to be a "street martial art"?
The most common "street" moves are...sucker punches and foul tactics, plus a few lame ass punches (i.e. the haymaker).
ANY art, applied by a competent enough person, with the proper physical attributes, can "work" on "the street".
But;
boxing...cannot be beat for hands. Muay thai cannot be beat in the standup game. (except by the most exceptional kyokushin guys) BJJ and Shooto are excellent for the ground game. The FMA are the only weapons systems that won't teach you shit that can get you killed. Wing chun is supherb for the trapping range....which does not last long in a real fight.

Muay thai-will help you in the street. There are tactics in muay thai that are meant for causing maximum damage, and are not meant for use in a ring fight.
Some tactics are; elbows to the collar bone, stomps to the patella, headbutts, eye gouges in the prummb, and knees to the nuts. Muay thai also has a few "hidden" chokes in the clinche, and a few breaks and throws from there also.

Uh...that's what I said.......

[Ravin]

Secondly - what the **** would you consider to be a "street martial art"?
The most common "street" moves are...sucker punches and foul tactics, plus a few lame ass punches (i.e. the haymaker).
ANY art, applied by a competent enough person, with the proper physical attributes, can "work" on "the street".
But;
boxing...cannot be beat for hands. .

Thats what i meant.. this idiot (polecat) doesnt know anything. 1 minute the faggot says he started martial arts the next minute he knows everything. Kickboxing would work on the street mainly due to the boxing and also the fact you get alot of contact sparring as well as the low kicks you learn and yeh da Muay thai elbows, clinch and knees def have been used in "real fights" and have worked. And also the part about physical attributes(strength, conditioning and endurance) is true and chinese martial arts speaking from experience ( 2 years of wushu) doesnt stress that as much as kickboxing,boxing or Muay thai except maybe the (flexability part).Finally most streetfights suck their mostly 2 losers throwing 20 shitty punches at each other ( in which case kickboxing would give you a advantage) or other fights have weapons or multiple attackers are involved ( when who you know and what you carry comes in handy). Stop watching "streetfighter" Polecat seems like you've been brainwashed in the 1st 2 lessons of what ever the **** you JUST STARTED learning

[Garland]

Kickboxing is for the streets? In what alternate universe is it for the street. Sure, it's an effective fighting art and would do well in a real life situation, but it is not a 'street' martial art.
It's derived from Muaythai which started as a defensive art but has been a competition art since around 1300 AD. Kickboxing in the US was a direct result of full contact karate matches starting in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Not the street, moron, but the ring. .

Firstly...muay thai was derived from krabbi krabong, which was an OFFENSIVE based art. These precursors to modern muay thai were not meant for the ring or the "street", but devised for killing and maiming in battle. (rent Sukiyothai)

Secondly - what the **** would you consider to be a "street martial art"?
The most common "street" moves are...sucker punches and foul tactics, plus a few lame ass punches (i.e. the haymaker).
ANY art, applied by a competent enough person, with the proper physical attributes, can "work" on "the street".
But;
boxing...cannot be beat for hands. Muay thai cannot be beat in the standup game. (except by the most exceptional kyokushin guys) BJJ and Shooto are excellent for the ground game. The FMA are the only weapons systems that won't teach you shit that can get you killed. Wing chun is supherb for the trapping range....which does not last long in a real fight.

Muay thai-will help you in the street. There are tactics in muay thai that are meant for causing maximum damage, and are not meant for use in a ring fight.
Some tactics are; elbows to the collar bone, stomps to the patella, headbutts, eye gouges in the prummb, and knees to the nuts. Muay thai also has a few "hidden" chokes in the clinche, and a few breaks and throws from there also.

[Dom Shakal]

I also think it's the total commercialization of arts like Tai Chi (especially in the US) that give people the impression that CMA's are not fighting arts. Plus, you don't see CMA fighters on ESPN2 every other day so people are completely ignorant.
I assume the originator of this thread was not trying to insinuate that CMA' are ineffective.

The fact that you don't see CMA fighters on ESPN2 (ever, from what I've watched ... and very, very little in the UFC) was part of the basis for my original question. I was wondering if anyone had ever seen real CMA stylists in real competitions, or fighting in a streetfight. Looks some of you have, which is cool, and I appreciate the anecdotes.

But it just seems a little ususual to me that some of the CMAs that have been around for so many years *wouldn't* appear in MMA competitions more often.

Does this mean that CMAs are not effective in that type of forum (cage fighting with some rules), or does it mean that they're not effective against a more "complete" fighter? Someone who has crossed-trained in BJJ and MT, for example.

Or, does it mean nothing more than most CMA fighters simply choosing not to participate in those competitions?

[polecat63]

I also think it's the total commercialization of arts like Tai Chi (especially in the US) that give people the impression that CMA's are not fighting arts. Plus, you don't see CMA fighters on ESPN2 every other day so people are completely ignorant.
I assume the originator of this thread was not trying to insinuate that CMA' are ineffective.

[47MartialMan]

It is the misconception resulting from movies, legends, and under-edicated people who cannot completely understand CMA.

[jubaji]

jubaji, where have you seen CMA? MMA competition, or streetfight?
How effective was it?

Well it seems that in China, as in most of the universe, when guys go out and get drunk they tend to get into fights.

When I lived in Xi'an in the early-mid 90s, I'd go out for beers with the guys I practiced Taijiquan with and sometimes some stupid drunk would wander over and start trouble, same as anywhere. And they would get smacked in the mouth or thrown on their face, same as anywhere. A couple of the guys I practiced with were the type who, though they wouldn't admit it, enjoyed getting into a little scrap once in a while.

One time I was having a snack in the Muslim quarter with one of the trainers at a KF school I trained at a couple of nights a week when some idiot decided he didn't like the looks of us. Mr Wang gave that boy a pretty good beating if memory serves.


There were no crouching tigers or hidden dragons, and zero wirework. Just folks getting popped in the mouth, swept, thrown, or bounced off a wall. Just like anywhere else.

[jubaji]

The appeal of the dark side can be overwhelming!

No worries

[polecat63]

Well, I didn't say exactly that, but there was something like a compliment in there somewhere so thanks anyway.

It physically pains me to say this....You're welcome. By the way, sorry for jerking your chain the last few days. Not trying to be buds or anything, just don't want to have to wrestle every time I come here to post. I'm not usually that much of an asshole, but I couldn't resist. The appeal of the dark side can be overwhelming!

[jubaji]

At least jubaji doesn't claim to practice any art other than wrestling

Well, I didn't say exactly that, but there was something like a compliment in there somewhere so thanks anyway.

[polecat63]

You idiot kickboxing is for the streets- Its simple and effective.As much as I hate to agree with Jubaji I think you know nothing about fighting you seem like a asshole that just started out and wants to talk s*** . So according to you the fancy stuff is what works. You've watched too many old kung fu movies.

Kickboxing is for the streets? In what alternate universe is it for the street. Sure, it's an effective fighting art and would do well in a real life situation, but it is not a 'street' martial art.
It's derived from Muaythai which started as a defensive art but has been a competition art since around 1300 AD. Kickboxing in the US was a direct result of full contact karate matches starting in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Not the street, moron, but the ring. And maybe you should quote my entire post, or actually read it before you make an ass of yourself.
SO, who's the asshole, troll? Who's talking shit about something they obviously know nothing about? If you claim to practice an art you should at least take a few minutes to learn the history of it. At least jubaji doesn't claim to practice any art other than wrestling and his arguments at least apperar to be based in reality. You don't even get an "a" for effort! Get a life and take some more troll lessons.