How about a 30 year old, 5ft 9in tall, 150 lb. man well-versed in Bak Mei, Muay Thai, and jujitsu -- armed with a Springfield Socom 2 M1A rifle, complete with silencer, muzzle-flash suppressor and laser sighting?
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Originally posted by Garland View PostWhat about a 5'8'' 165 lb muay thai, kali, and miscelaneous grappling guy with a empty forty ounce vs. a 220 lb kung fu guy who is looking the opposite direction?
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Originally posted by sanjiyan99 View PostHow about a 30 year old, 5ft 9in tall, 150 lb. man well-versed in Bak Mei, Muay Thai, and jujitsu -- armed with a Springfield Socom 2 M1A rifle, complete with silencer, muzzle-flash suppressor and laser sighting?
How fast does this guy run the 2-miler?
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Kung Fu is not just a striking system. The fact is there has been over 400 type of martial arts developed in China. For example, taiji, wing tsun, hung gar, shaolin and many more. Each chinese martial arts have their own philosophy and objectives. And saying kung fu don't have grappling is a big misunderstanding because Chinese martial arts probably have the most grappling techniques in the world. Furthermore we normally refer ground fighting as dog fist but we rarely demonstrate this art because it doesn't look very nice in the public. The difference between brazilian jujitsu and dog fist is that our ground fighting consist a lot more stiking method while on the ground, on top of all the other submissions we learn. And "yes" we also learn where to bite to disable arm locks because we are imitating animals.. And I am currently taking Shaolin Kung Fu from a real monk and you can look at our cirriculum > www.shaolintemple.ca
I aslo believe this misunderstanding is due to many inexperience kung fu partitioner in the Western society. 3 years ago Shaolin temple finally allowed monks to teach foreigners and if you really want to test their skills please feel free to go try. Try to do some research around your area and if you are lucky there might be a monk living near your neighbourhood. I am not here to offend any other martial arts out there but i just hope this misunderstanding is clear. And I aslo take Wing Tsun because I am a big chinese martial art fan.
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I love the title of this thread!!
It is one hundred per cent true. I am a wing chun practitioner and that is my main art, but you soon realise that one art on its own will not give you what you want.
Wing Chun is extremely good at fighting in a street scenario, but there are times where you might need to switch. If I was fighting another wing chun practitioner there is no point fighting fire with fire.
Boxing, muay thai, BJJ, escrima, etc all bring in something different to your training. I really do hate traditionalists who insist that in real confrontations a bong sao will save you everytime etc.
In a cage environment (In which I've dabbled), kung fu gets slaughtered. Mainly because it is not designed as a submission art. It would be like trying to win a BJJ tournament by KO.
Kung fu is important to learn and I would suggest that MMA guys use it in what they do, but ultimately the people who know and understand a variety of martial arts will win the day.
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Originally posted by Garland View PostCan you do that? A submissions tournament sans striking and knock the other person out? I guess if the fighter does some hard judo-esque slam or some shit...
The point was that you can't really do it in a BJJ tournament. Most of the time the rules prevent you from striking and it is very difficult to KO someone if you are used to submission fighting
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Originally posted by Garland View PostCan you do that? A submissions tournament sans striking and knock the other person out? I guess if the fighter does some hard judo-esque slam or some shit...
I have knocked some folks out in wrestling matches. One amusing case was when I was in college and I was wrestling this guy from Harvard. It just so happened that we both decided to shoot for a double at the exact same time. Both lowered level and shot (and we were both pretty damn fast) at the exact same moment. The 'clang' of skulls filled the gym and the folks in the stands did one of those collective "Oh!" things, and many of them immediately looked away, not wanting to see the consequences. Well, I sort of jumped back and put a hand to my head and then looked at the hand, expecting to see blood. I was sort of surprised that I hadn't even broken the skin after such a tremendous collision. Then I looked over and saw that the Harvard guy was out cold on his back, not moving a muscle. He didn't come to the entire time he was in the gym. The EMT guys loaded him on a stretcher and took him away and he never so much as batted an eyelash. Our trainer checked up on him later and said he was ok, but he missed the rest of the season.
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Originally posted by jubaji View PostLOL
It just so happened that we both decided to shoot for a double at the exact same time. Both lowered level and shot (and we were both pretty damn fast) at the exact same moment. The 'clang' of skulls filled the gym and the folks in the stands did one of those collective "Oh!" things, and many of them immediately looked away, not wanting to see the consequences. .
Originally posted by jubaji View PostWell, I sort of jumped back and put a hand to my head and then looked at the hand, expecting to see blood. I was sort of surprised that I hadn't even broken the skin after such a tremendous collision. Then I looked over and saw that the Harvard guy was out cold on his back, not moving a muscle. He didn't come to the entire time he was in the gym. The EMT guys loaded him on a stretcher and took him away and he never so much as batted an eyelash. Our trainer checked up on him later and said he was ok, but he missed the rest of the season.
Harvard MBA = Next CEOLast edited by Tom Yum; 04-25-2007, 11:13 PM.
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