Why Kung fu is the ultimate martial art.

[jubaji]

Why is everyone dogging jiu-fu fighter for stating his opinion?.

I don't think that's what's happening here. He posted several very specific claims and then insisted that each one be addressed and that's what some of us are doing.

I don't think anyone is telling him not to pursue KF or that it is a waste of time or ineffective or any of that. I would hope no one is saying that.

[JustaFighter]

[QUOTE=Tom Yum;252661]Why is everyone dogging jiu-fu fighter for stating his opinion?
[QUOTE]

Because he states his way is "The Way" for a MA practitioner in any form. And that's just naive, and you better believe there is going to be opposition to such public statements.

[Tom Yum]

Where are you going with this?? Are you suggesting Kung Fu is the best self defence style or are you talking about it from a pure MA point of view where you can talk about lots of pretty techniques and spiritual concepts etc? If it's the latter great!!
If it's the former then forget about it.

Let the man explore gong fu and see what he can take from it. It maybe what he needs at this point.

Again, not all gong-fu is ineffective. Alot of the time its the individual who makes the fighter, not just the art. Keep in mind that the WW2 combatives system was influenced by traditional Chinese and Japanese arts.

The current system used by the South Korean SF is also influenced by traditional Chinese and Korean arts. They're battle proven in close quarters, according to accounts from the U.S. military during Vietnam.

[Tom Yum]

And on top of everything else, it sounds like you don't even understand the terms you are using.

He is a beginner, jubaji. That's expected.

Look at shuaijiao and qinna. These are the parent styles to jujitsu and aikido, but are also tied to wrestling.

[Tom Yum]

Why is everyone dogging jiu-fu fighter for stating his opinion?

He's enthusiastic about the martial arts, relatively new and could become a good contributor to the Chinese martial arts section.

Jiu-fu's observations have valid points.

Some Gong-fu teaches meditation, breath control and how to stay calm under stressful situations - a huge plus for the martial artists mindset. If the man wants to do gong-fu, let him do it and get out of his way. It may be one of the best journey's of his life.

Maybe jiu-fu doesn't want to be a big bad ass, but instead is looking for greater use of what he has. In this case, gong-fu is not a bad decision at all.

In terms of fighting powress, its more about the individual and not the style. Some styles requirer shorter-training time to be effective, but it depends on how deep you want to get into it. There are even Tae kwon do stylists who are very fierce and powerful fighters, despite the fact that many TKD dojangs are McDojo.

You should PM Boar, a Chinese MA man who has put his art into practice.

[npk9]

Are we (CMA's) the only ones that have people like this??!! No offense Jiu-fu, but the reason people are taken back by your comments is simply the fact that you are using very generic terms. Not all kung-fu is created equal. And not all teachers in a certain school of thought are created equal. Please be very VERY specific.

[JustaFighter]

so even though you may totally disagree with me, show some respect
please.

First Off: Respect is earned. It can not just be granted to you because you feel like you deserve it. Really consider this young grasshopper for it is the first step toward "Enlightenment" Of course if your were training in boxing you would have already known this. Read that sentence again.

Second: If you want spiritual/self growth then join a religion. I don't care which one as long as they preach how to edify oneself. Also science in the realm of psychology, human anatomy and physiology can help you become a more capable human being also. Might I suggest you go rent "What the Bleep Do We Know" I really think you might enjoy it.

Third: I have talked with several local MMA competitors who were great fighters and highly intelligent. Held bachelor and doctorate degrees in various fields and had a very kind/charitable demeanor about them. So are you saying these people really aren't enlightened because they didn't train in Kung-Fu where they broke blocks of wood and stone in various ways?

Fourth: Jiu-fu fighter, just because you want to see your world in a certain way doesn't mean we have to agree with you or be respectful to you when you are spewing out B.S. This isn't the politically correct forum of self defense. Where everyone's right as long as they "feel" it is so. Do you understand what I mean by this?

Fifth: Just how old are you?

[Ardith]

Kung-fu isn't the only martial art that pits you against bricks and stones and pulling trucks with your dick.

Breaking boards and stones is easy, we all know the mechanics that go behind it, and we know that people that break bricks tend to do it over and over again to build up stronger bones.

It all looks fantastic and superhuman until you know what is going on.

[jubaji]

kung fu is also one of the oldest martial arts thousands of years old, we all get a bad impression from lame ass kung fu movies and wushu which is more of a dance than a fighting art.

And on top of everything else, it sounds like you don't even understand the terms you are using.

[jubaji]

so even though you may totally disagree with me, show some respect
please.

Begging for it is not the way to get respect, young fella.

[kuk sool won]

It doesn't help that you are using such a generic term 'kung fu' to explain the art. Like Jub said it doesn't make you sound like you know what your talking about. I know people who can break stones on their body, many of them either end up in a mental institute or have a congenital indifference to pain. It depends on what you want from a martial art, for example, self defense or spiritually. Make yourself clear on why you think it. If an art stays true to its roots then the art becomes outdated for self defense purposes, older martial arts were meant to be used in defense situations where the attacker wanted to kill you, not just a drunken bar fight, you dont see too many people with swords in bars anymore. The more you say the bigger your grave is getting.

[Jiu-fu fighter]

ok, I guess I can tell that I am strongly opposed on this one, but yes I will go out on a limb and suggest it is one of the best martial arts there is, that is of course if you have a good teacher who knows what they are doing.
it has useful relaxation and meditation techniques such as :quigong, taichi, it has self defense forms, fighting forms,....etc..

kung fu is also one of the oldest martial arts thousands of years old, we all get a bad impression from lame ass kung fu movies and wushu which is more of a dance than a fighting art. but the real practitioners are people you don't want to mess with

I have taken kung fu, if only for a year, but I know its benefits and my teacher was quite amazing in his abilities.
I have also taken a harder art kickboxing for a little less than a year, and on top of that grappling such as chinese wrestling (shoot wrestling), brazilian jiu jitsu, so I can use this to add to my points, and at least show you guys that I am not just some stupid troll who sits on his computer talking about stuff that he has no idea about.

so even though you may totally disagree with me, show some respect
please.

p.s I will also be a man about what i said earlier and take back any shit I may have lashed at the other arts

[WildWest.]

I am willing to have a good conversation here, tell me why I am wrong

No I don't believe in miracolous powers, I believe that to gain a greater control of ones minds can be very beneficial to the martial arts and life

why can some men break solid thick boards with their hands , or even rocks, they say it has little to do with strength but that they are able to focus and be in the moment.
once again the shaolin monks and their feats, which many of can be seen on youtube
being able to relax, go from zero to sixty in a second, have more focus, heal much quicker, ,, all benefits of being in control of the mind

I don't believe in miraculous chi at all and no I don't need to grow up, I have said nothing stupid, I have made my points and if you could just see them I would be happy

so ready to talk?

Where are you going with this?? Are you suggesting Kung Fu is the best self defence style or are you talking about it from a pure MA point of view where you can talk about lots of pretty techniques and spiritual concepts etc? If it's the latter great!!
If it's the former then forget about it.

[jubaji]

the fact is , a real kung fu man is enlightened and at peace he would not use his art to fight for show he is already far above all other martial artists and does not have to prove himself, those who you see that have been beaten are those that have gone looking for a fight or action and therefore have little skill or knowledge.

That's the oldest bullshit cop-out excuse-making nonsense in the book!

[jubaji]

they have discovered and unharnessed the power of the mind, once you control the mind, nothing is impossible.

Control the mind all you want, lots of things are still impossible. You know this.