Why Kung fu is the ultimate martial art.

[jubaji]

if you look at the shaolin monks, what they do is unbelievable,

1) they are always so calm and at peace,

2) but they can jump higher than any man,

3) kick harder,

4) punch harder,

5) break stones on their bodies,

6) break stones with their bare hands..

7) no mma man could do this

1) Of course they are NOT always so...

2) Nonsense

3) Nonsense

4) Nonsense

5) Simply a matter of training that particular ability, which is of dubious value in and of itself

6) Simply a matter of training that particular ability, which is of dubious value in and of itself

7) Of course they could, if they chose to devote their time to developing that kind of parlor trick instead of the things they need for their job

[jubaji]

boxing or muay thai has very little or no emphasis on the spiritual side of the martial arts,

Again, you show your ignorance. Have you ever even seen a traditional Muay Thai bout?

[jubaji]

kung fu can teach one how to gain more control of ones mind

At a high level, almost any discipline can do the same.

[jubaji]

just think of a time that you have been really really angry or in a rage, did you not have unbelievable strength and stamina? yes you did,

No, you didn't. You experienced a rush of adrenaline and let it overwhelm your imagination. Can you guess what type of person is best at managing the adrenaline 'dump' as its sometimes referred?

[jubaji]

Kung fu is all about being one with the world, flowing with nature. boxing does not teach this at all, kung fu teaches one how to meditate and focus the mind being able to relax the body

It sounds like you don't understand either one.

[jubaji]

Kung fu is a martial art that takes a lot of time and energy , blood and sweat, to become a master at it. unlike say boxing which can be learned in a much shorter time.

Interesting that you chose to compare "master" with "learn."

[Jiu-fu fighter]

I am willing to have a good conversation here, tell me why I am wrong

No I don't believe in miracolous powers, I believe that to gain a greater control of ones minds can be very beneficial to the martial arts and life

why can some men break solid thick boards with their hands , or even rocks, they say it has little to do with strength but that they are able to focus and be in the moment.
once again the shaolin monks and their feats, which many of can be seen on youtube
being able to relax, go from zero to sixty in a second, have more focus, heal much quicker, ,, all benefits of being in control of the mind

I don't believe in miraculous chi at all and no I don't need to grow up, I have said nothing stupid, I have made my points and if you could just see them I would be happy

so ready to talk?

[jubaji]

So, you weren't joking?

[Thai Bri]

Because you're too willing to believe in miraculous chi powered high kickin' in tune with the world bollox.

You grow up and I'll talk to you man to man.

[Jiu-fu fighter]

I learned that you are naive and dumb.

First of all... I admit I may be a little naive, but I am not dumb

I have come into a forum (a chinese martial art one to be exact), and I have shared my opinion and gave some points to back it up

first of all,

a) A martial art like kung fu is more spiritual than the harder MMA arts. It teachers one more how to centre oneself and gain more control of their spirit and mind, considering studies have shown that the average person uses 20 percent or so of their brains total capabilities. To be able to tap into more of this resource through meditation and breathing and centreing excercises would be quite the benifit. ( as I said, also shown by the shaolin monks and their amazing feats , which they have accomplished through gaining a greater control and understanding of their own minds)

b) I have admitted that there may be many more moves to learn from this art, but also that having more to use at your disposal is a benefit.

c) dedication- the amount of dedication put into these arts are unbelievable, and already shows quite a bit of inner strength.



so if anybody wishes to be a wiseass with me, at least come at me with some points to back it up, instead of calling me "naive and stupid".

why not have a friendly discussion

[JustaFighter]

Wow that post made me laugh and gave me a head-ache at the same time.

[jubaji]

I hope that was just one long joke...

[Thai Bri]

I learned that you are naive and dumb.

[Jiu-fu fighter]

I had a very interesting talk with a high ranking kung fu teacher today, and I have to say it was very rewarding and enlightening.

I am sure that many of us see kung fu as a rather ineffective martial art or stands no chance against the other MMA's that you would see in the ufc.

but the fact is:

Kung fu is a martial art that takes a lot of time and energy , blood and sweat, to become a master at it. unlike say boxing which can be learned in a much shorter time.
Kung fu is all about being one with the world, flowing with nature. boxing does not teach this at all, kung fu teaches one how to meditate and focus the mind being able to relax the body and internalise ones own chi

we all know that the power of the mind is unbelievable, just think of a time that you have been really really angry or in a rage, did you not have unbelievable strength and stamina? yes you did, why you may ask?
because your mind was totally focused on that anger and was able to start functioning at a higher rate than is the norm.
kung fu can teach one how to gain more control of ones mind and with that the possibilities are endless.
boxing or muay thai has very little or no emphasis on the spiritual side of the martial arts, it is a well known fact that a much looser and more relaxed martial artist will be quicker and more powerful of that who is always tense (just another example of what relaxing parts of meditation can do)

if you look at the shaolin monks, what they do is unbelievable, they are always so calm and at peace, but they can jump higher than any man, kick harder, punch harder, break stones on their bodies, break stones with their bare hands.. no mma man could do this
they have discovered and unharnessed the power of the mind, once you control the mind, nothing is impossible.

Kung fu definetly has more moves to learn than say boxing, muay thai, kickboxing, and takes much longer to learn, which is why an amateur boxer would beat an amateur kung fu man. because the boxer just practices only a few select moves over and over and over,
but to learn kung fu takes much more dedication and time, which already shows the strength and willpower of the person, by the time you have learned all these moves, you have already won half the battle by inner strength alone.
Kung fu may be viewed as much more complicated , but it should be viewed as an art of more possibilities.

you may argue that no kung fu man has ever made it against a ufc man, the fact is , a real kung fu man is enlightened and at peace he would not use his art to fight for show he is already far above all other martial artists and does not have to prove himself, those who you see that have been beaten are those that have gone looking for a fight or action and therefore have little skill or knowledge.

yes, I am expecting some serious debate on this one, but I hope that through all my ramblings you will learn something just like I have