Kung Fu and MMA

[jubaji]

Yeah I was confusing vague with dense.

They can be pretty similar sometimes.

[TTEscrima]

To Uke/TTexcrement/Dick Hardman,

Wow..a real internet tough guy making internet tough -guy threats against another member. I think you should be "put down" for that. "Put down" meaning "banned". Who needs you and your personal vendetta against Jubaji anyway?

Jubaji, good for you for not rising to the bait and answering in kind.

WTF are you on about? Your embarrassment over the stupid shit you continuously post, (Bay of Pigs a positive for Republicans, eye gouges/fishhooks being attempted murder, etc) has obviously overloaded your pea brain.

Do I really need to quote one of your 500 word attack rants against Jubarki before you left this site over the BS? Now that you're back, you're his biggest fan and completely infatuated with him, what happened, did you get promoted from dish washer to waitress at Denny's?

[kingoftheforest]

Yeah I was confusing vague with dense.

[jubaji]

'Vague' is the new guy's style, not the old guy's.

[kingoftheforest]

That's kind of hard to say, because by the time I started learning something of TCMA I had already been wrestling for 15 years and already had an unfortunately high amount of experience with real fights, so what I then additionally learned didn't 'stand alone' such that I could definitively say "that's X" in the heat of the moment. Also, since I dabbled (addmittedly, a year or two or three here and there and picking up a little sharing stuff with friends is only 'dabbling' in the larger picture) in so many things and since, of course, so much is common to many MAs, it would in any case be hard to say "this is X" or "that is Y" again, in the heat of the moment. I will say that the experience has influenced how I perform in certain circumstances.

That vague enough for ya?

Didn't you hire one of President Bush's speech writers for this?

[jubaji]

Yes, specifically how the TCMA have been used in real fights. What worked? Why?

That's kind of hard to say, because by the time I started learning something of TCMA I had already been wrestling for 15 years and already had an unfortunately high amount of experience with real fights, so what I then additionally learned didn't 'stand alone' such that I could definitively say "that's X" in the heat of the moment. Also, since I dabbled (addmittedly, a year or two or three here and there and picking up a little sharing stuff with friends is only 'dabbling' in the larger picture) in so many things and since, of course, so much is common to many MAs, it would in any case be hard to say "this is X" or "that is Y" again, in the heat of the moment. I will say that the experience has influenced how I perform in certain circumstances.

That vague enough for ya?

[Tom Yum]

Can you be more specific?

Yes, specifically how the TCMA have been used in real fights. What worked? Why?

[FLMKane]

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By the way what style of martial arts do you practice?

Says the BS kung fu wannabe to the Five Animals Style dude.I also started judo.

[FLMKane]

So anyway, back to the discussion,

1. I think as we have shown by the experts and sound reasoning, that Kung Fu survival combat and sport MMA are two very different systems. Can we all say yes?

2. Also that Kung Fu has a long history of development and combat readiness? Can we all say yes?

3. And that Kung Fu is a wonderful fighting style that every single martial artist in the planet should seriously consider when thinking of self defense? Can we all say yes?

4. And though many martial arts systems are good and useful for combat, kung fu may be one of the most comprehensive systems on the planet? Can we all say yes?

5. And lastly that those who may poke at kung fu as soft and useless in combat really do not understand what they are talking about? Can we all say yes?

If you cannot say yes to any of these points, please share your reasoning with us.

1. Kung Fu is a style. MMA is a set of rules so THEY CANNOT BE COMPARED!

2. I agree. But which of the thousands of styles?

3. Never ever. Requires too much dedication and damn good teacher. You can take much simpler styles and simply add the gouges. Plus a lot ( not all) styles are form based to the cost of actual sparring.

4. Again your reasoning is weird because Kung Fu is too diverse to generalize. Which style of the thousands?

5. Depends again on which style. Also, there are numbnuts like you who make it all sound wussy.

[jubaji]

Can you speak more on your experience with the traditional arts and putting them to work? ...

Can you be more specific?

[Tom Yum]

You haven't been paying attention, pUke. But since you seem to love me so much...

Let's see, I started wrestling when I was 7, and have been doing that ever since. After college I decided to head over to China and see what was going on over there. Got a job in Xi'an and studied taijiquan with Chen Quanzhong and KF at a school in the Muslim quarter there for two years (when not working, of course). Also found the provincial wrestling team and worked out regularly with them while I was there. Met some nice folks during my time there, including some Japanese teachers. They were so nice in fact that when my contract was up I headed over to Japan and got a job there. A few jobs actually. Was there off and on for about three years I guess. Practiced kendo, nihon kempo, and aikido while I was there. Also found a local wrestling club and worked out with them. Also ran into assorted other folks studying this and that and worked out with them when we had time. One guy was a WC guy, a few others were ninjutsu guys (got to jump into a practice with Hatsumi sensei once) some were K-1 fighters, some were judoka, all sorts of folks. Back in the States I've kept on wrestling (of course) and done a little of this and that as time and work allow. I've worked out and sparred with TKD, taekkyon, boxing, MMA, BJJ, WC, ninjutsu, American kempo, san shou, etc. whatever I could try my hand at. But wrestling is always my main thing and I make it a point to wrestle 3-4 times a week (although I was recently laid up after surgery and just before that something much more important kept me too busy to hit the mat for a while).

So, that's about it. We usually spend a week or two in Kyoto each year if we can to visit family, and work takes me to Korea and China every now and again (but there's usually no time for 'training' on such trips).

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Can you speak more on your experience with the traditional arts and putting them to work?

That's an undercovered but good potential topic since alot folks (esp. younger ones) think that MMA is the be all end all of martial arts experience.

Don't get me wrong, I love training muaythai, CSW and what not but people forget that muaythai is a traditional martial art (once fought to death) and that there are arts that can be used for combat/self-defense.

As mentioned before the traditional Korean arts were added to combatives in the 70's during the Vietnam war. TCMAs and jiujitsu/judo were the base prior to that.

Fast forward to the 90's, MCMAP had to be revamped because live practice created too many long-term injuries...

[Tom Yum]

LOL! Oh, I'm sure, 'cause you seem like a bad, bad man and not at all an empty bag of wind.

He mentions he studies RBSD combatives and has studied karate, judo/jiujitsu and maybe kali - but I could be wrong - that's not nuthin' if it is true.

[jubaji]

Have you ever played with Sambo Jubaji? ...?

That is one I have not yet. Hopefully, one day...

[Tant01]

Sombo/SAMBO? Q???

You haven't been paying attention, pUke. But since you seem to love me so much...

Let's see, I started wrestling when I was 7, ....

...So, that's about it. We usually spend a week or two in Kyoto each year if we can to visit family, and work takes me to Korea and China every now and again (but there's usually no time for 'training' on such trips).





There ya go, pUke. That should give you and the hairdressers enough material for several years worth of pissy little asides every time your empty arguments fall flat and you need an out.

Have you ever played with Sambo Jubaji? I still see a LOT of missed opportunities for leg locks in MMA these days...?

[jubaji]

C'mon Ju... You KNOW we're ALL "virtually" invincible! LOL

Heavy on the virtual, light on the invincible.