dangers of flakey teachers and the rise of internet fu

[TigerClaw]

Anyone who reads your posts can see you repeat "I started around 19 and now I'm 45" repeated over and over again like the Rain Man, along with 'suggestions' about 'tests' that show clearly that you have no experience with or clue about grappling.

Again, you are not telling the truth and living up to your reputation in here. I really don't take you seriously in anything you say. I do have understanding about grappling and I have posted in another forum very clear defenses against different positions. Rear naked chokes, triangles, side mounts, etc etc.

Tell me a techniques that you think I cannot escape from, and I will try to show the Kung Fu answer to it. I may even post pictures. Try to use techniques that are common to Jujitsu and other grappling arts. And then we will see if I know about grappling and how to escape or defend against such attacks. I also want you to describe the attacking approach to doing this technique. By this I mean, how does the person approach me to get me into this position.

And by the way when I remind you that I have been involved in martial arts for over 20 years I do so to point out that a person can learn alot of things in that time. I did not just start martial arts a week ago and try to discuss techniques. I don't say this to boast, but to relate information in helping you understand my mindset and background.

As far as the test for anyone to do. Think of it like a homework assignment. If they do what I suggested as a test for escaping grapplers, they will find out, within about twenty seconds that they work. And if they think they may not do things as I would, I am just telling them to attack whatever way works for them. If they see an opening at the eyes or face attack it or the groin throat fingers etc. (but pull your techniques and be careful) . Think of all the so called "dirty fighting" things you can, and clawing attacks, etc. there some attacks i do not want to mention here because they are too dangerous. but even without these you can escape very quickly and gain control.Watch how fast the situation shift. Even a child, with no martial arts background should be able to understand what I am talking about and the simplicity of it. To argue and fight as some do shows their lack of sound self defense and that they just want to fight for any reason, no matter what I say.

I also find it very amusing that any person who claims to know martial arts at all, would even mock for a second at attacking the vital areas in combat. Or that they would try to say that what I showed would not work. They argue with me and the experts. I think they argue just because they are biased against me and they would fight against anything I said even if I gave the most solid fighting applications. Some are under the mistaken views that Kung Fu does not have a strong ground fighting arsenal. They are wrong. But with this view they have they will attack anyone who even tries to say or show the contrary.

[JadeDragon]

I think TigerClaw is just trying to pull our leg and play a practical joke on all of us. Surely he does not believe all this stuff he is saying. How can a person say these thing with out crackin' up laughing. He's probably have a good laugh at our expense by telling us all this non-sense.

[TigerClaw]

Is he Matbla? I wonder.

I am not this man or any other person who has come on any other person you might think. I am TigerClaw and KungFuMan.

[TigerClaw]

I think TigerClaw is just trying to pull our leg and play a practical joke on all of us. Surely he does not believe all this stuff he is saying. How can a person say these thing with out crackin' up laughing. He's probably have a good laugh at our expense by telling us all this non-sense.

No, I am not playing any jokes, I really do believe what I tell you and the stories I tell you are true. By the way what have i said that sounds hard to believe? I believe every word.

I am just waiting for someone to actually try what I suggest with a grappler who is unaware of what they are going to do. Then get back yo me on it.

I think some know that what I say will work, they just don't want to agree with me at the risk of having their attackers and mockers go after them also. I am not afraid of the majority, if they are wrong, as the majority often is.

[Ben Grimm]

Real Grappling Training = Survival in a ground fighting situation. KFM's anti-grappling means you become someone's bitch, because you just got served.

[jubaji]

I am just waiting for someone to actually try what I suggest with a grappler who is unaware of what they are going to do. Then get back yo me on it..

Ok, let's try this again: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.


You have, and continue to ignore the fact that you are woefully ignorant about grappling and try to pass off movie clips, illustrations, and still photos as 'proof' of things you know nothing of.

If it will make you happy, rest assured that I have had people from a very wide variety of styles, systems, backgrounds, etc. do anything and everything they wanted in a grappling situation and I can tell you your little theories are a load of bunk. You keep saying, "try it! try it!" but I, and I'm sure others here have 'tried' everything your little pea brain can think of and more and you are full of bunk. Do you know who 'eye gouges' and the like are available to in a grappling situation? The person with the superior position. Do you know who is greatly more likely to have superior position in a grappling situation? THE SUPERIOR GRAPPLER. If the person in the inferior position is stupid enough to try to grab the eyes or sack or whatever, he is only going to leave himself even more vulnerable to abuse. It is painful to read your crap, because anyone with the slightest clue knows all this to be true.

You don't know squat about grappling, but play 'make pretend' with students (if they really exist) who also know nothing about grappling, and then spout off about 'truths' you have discovered. It's nonsense, and most everyone but you sees it quite clearly.

You keep vomiting up BS about 'how to handle grappling,' but you vlearly don't know what the hell you are talking about. There are lots of ways to 'handle' grappling: Shoot him, stab him, knock him out, or...and this is the biggie...BE A BETTER GRAPPLER.

[sunwukung]

I am just waiting for someone to actually try what I suggest with a grappler who is unaware of what they are going to do. Then get back yo me on it.

1) As you have pointed out, you have the experience of real kung fu, and we do not understand. Therefore, you are the only one in a position to demonstrate your point. Go and find your jujitsu/MMA friends you referred to earlier, perform the maneuver you are referring to and film it - then post it here. Problem solved. Anything else is simply evading the issue.

2) Nothing else is worth discussing. Lineage, identity, past combat encounters - all irrelevant and simply obscuring the discussion. It may be interesting, but it is not cogent to the topic.

3)Since you're too stubborn to fulfill or understand the previous 2 points, this thread will probably go on (and on) until the internet runs out - Merry Xmas KFM, and everyone else.

[TigerClaw]

Ok, let's try this again:...Do you know who 'eye gouges' and the like are available to in a grappling situation? The person with the superior position. Do you know who is greatly more likely to have superior position in a grappling situation? THE SUPERIOR GRAPPLER. If the person in the inferior position is stupid enough to try to grab the eyes or sack or whatever, he is only going to leave himself even more vulnerable to abuse. It is painful to read your crap, because anyone with the slightest clue knows all this to be true.

I do know about grappling and as I said give me your grappling positions and I will tell you how a Kung Fu fighter would handle it and I may post pictures. What are you afraid of, give me your best positions? By the way I do study grappling and I have done ground fighting and I also study other styles and continue to learn in this area.

And all your talk of how grapplers will not leave their vital exposed is wrong. By the way, this whole time I have been talking about the difference between Kung Fu survival combat fighting and MMA sport rules fighting that we see on TV.

You really don't know what you are talking about and are just making up stuff it seems. I have watched many, many fights and studied them and I see so often that the fighters both expose their groins, faces, throats and many other vital areas all the time. By the way, when I talk of a Kung Fu fighter I am speaking of masters of kung Fu who have years of Chin na experience and many other styles and clawing grappling experience. They are also aware of the positioning of their bodies on the ground or standing and of many subtle angles and positions..

But, for the test I just want beginners to see how fast a quick shot to the groin changes the fight. You really don't know what you are talking about do you? I have seen MMA fights where a man gets a groin hit and the fight changes. It is that fast. By the way, many attacks can be avoided before they go to the ground. A good Kung Fu master should be able to deflect most attacks and redirect the attacker to a vulnerable position. Or trap him and take out his stance. But if the figth does go to the ground, many sport fighting situations clearly leave the face and groin and throat and fingers etc etc etc exposed. How many times have I seen the one in the weaker position on the ground with the man on top of him close to his face leaving his face and groin exposed. I chould show so many examples of this. Just show me any MMA fight and I can show this.

Better yet heres one.

Watch this and see how many openings a Kung Fu fighter would attack. I know it is sport, and kung Fu is combat, but that is my point. Thise who just keep arguing with me don't seem to realize what they are arguing against.

look at this fight and see from a combative Kung Fu mindset,

YouTube - RANDY COUTURE vs. BROCK LESNAR - TONIGHT

1. at 0:20, a kung fu fighter would kick immediately to the groin, or attack his groin with the left claw.

2. 0:25, here if Couture were a Kung Fu man he could shoot his left claw up and into the throat of his opponent. Or snap his knee joint with his right leg.

3. 0:32, if Lesnar were a Kung Fu fighter he has both of his hands on his head, he could twist the head to the side or break the neck

4. 0:40, Couture (if he were a Kung Fu man and in a combat situation) could kneee to the groin hard here .

5. 1:20, Lesnar could have attacked the eyes or throat or broken the neck from this position.


6. 1:36, Lesnar exposed his groin to an attack, and he telegraphed his position before hand. A Kung Fu defense would have attacked the lower gate, or groin area at this point.

7. 1:47, Lesnar telegraphs his shoot and at that point Couture could have locked his neck and twisted back and up.

8. When Couture is against the fence, he has his right hand free to attack the face. A kung fu fighter would attack the face at this close range and the fight would shift position right away. You can se a better angle at 2:11

9. As soon as Lesnar takes him to the ground at 2:15 Couture, (if he was a kung Fu fighter would immediately attack the face , eyes kneck etc. Lesnar leavs it exposed.

10. 2:45, If Couture was a Kung Fu fighter he would attack the groin right there and rewach over with his right hand nad fish hook Lesnar from over the top and around.

11. 2:48 Lesnar could have hooked inside Coutures eye lids or mouth and torqued back then attacked the throat.

12. 3:14, Lesner could have shot back his right hand and attacked the groin at this point.

13. 3:23, Couture could have reached over and fish hooked Lesners eyelid or mouth and pulled back.

14. 3:46, Couture could have grabbed Lesnars fingers with his left hand and broken then at that point. In real combat the position he was in there was very vulnerable and a finger break there would be effective.

15. 4:02 Lesnar could have clawed Coutures face and locked in twisting it up and back there

16. 4:05, Couture had an opportunity for a groin attack with his left hand.

17. Lesnar could have used his knee and hit the groin hard.

18. 4:50 Lesnar could have used his elbow downward and hit hard to the spine and certain vital areas in the back of the neck and spine.

19. 4:56 Couture could have attacked the groin there.

20. Lesnar, could have locked on with his left hand and clawed the face pulling it up and back, or breaking the neck.

21. Couture could have (if he was a Kung Fu man) grabbed Lesnars left arm with his left arm as he stepped in and pulled Lesner off balance striking the head or ribs. A quick grab like this is hard to escape, because the mind cannot move the arm away in time. I have done this drill with my students many times, they usually cannot get away from a quick wrist grab like this, and when done right the arm is pulled sideways exposing the ribs or back of the head and neck.

22. 6:38 in combat would not have been a knee but a kick to the groin.

23. 6:41, 42, Couture has a perfect position for a groin attack

24. 7:07. many different face attacks and eye attacks etc are available. I am not mentioning all the never attacks and other pressure points here. I am just pointing out the basic attacks.

25. 8:12,13, Couture could shoot his left hand down to the groin and attack.

26. 8:18 Lesner could have reached around with his right claw and fish hooked Couture and tugged back and around, locking into the eye lids or inner lip of the mouth, or both.

27. 9:20, 21, 22 etc when Couture is being pounded on the ground he could have attacked Lesnars groin area with his left hand and the eyes he could have struck with his right hand.

But I suppose that you are much better than these two men and you would never leave such oppenings. You have no idea what you are talking about and you seem to have little understanding of the Kung Fu techniques and mindset in combat. And I don't care how long you say you have been in martial arts.

And yes, this is a good exercise to convey something of what I am talking about. It is not a pointless exercise. I could go through almost every fight like this, and with gracie and others as well. Because these fights are sport fights and the fighting we see is not intended , as kung Fu is for survival combat fighting. This is such a simple argument, I am amazed how any can still attack me . it seems that some just want to attack me and don't seem to realize that their arguments are weak.

Again, this is all done in discussion and I am not talking about a Kung Fu man really doing such things. First of all he would not do it for many reasons and second this is a discussion forum. I have tried to convey what i mean with video and commentary..

[TigerClaw]

1) As you have pointed out, you have the experience of real kung fu, and we do not understand. Therefore, you are the only one in a position to demonstrate your point. Go and find your jujitsu/MMA friends you referred to earlier, perform the maneuver you are referring to and film it - then post it here. Problem solved. Anything else is simply evading the issue.

2) Nothing else is worth discussing. Lineage, identity, past combat encounters - all irrelevant and simply obscuring the discussion. It may be interesting, but it is not cogent to the topic.

3)Since you're too stubborn to fulfill or understand the previous 2 points, this thread will probably go on (and on) until the internet runs out - Merry Xmas KFM, and everyone else.

I have posted before in another forum , some of these defenses.

[jubaji]

I do know about grappling ..

Obviously you do not. Look, it's pretty clear that all this is a little trolling game for you, but you might at least put some effort into it.

and as I said give me your grappling positions and I will tell you how a Kung Fu fighter would handle it and I may post pictures. ..

And here we return to LARPer Land. It's not a matter of looking at still photos and 'imagining' what you think you could do, "Oh, look! There's A and there's B!" but what is practical and specifically what can be done as evidenced by the fact that it HAS been done.

I asked you before to show me a vid of you or (snicker) one of your 'students' doing any of the things you claim against a real, live, skilled grappler. I even gave you examples of what constitutes said skilled grappler. You did not, you will not, you cannot.

By the way I do study grappling and I have done ground fighting and I also study other styles and continue to learn in this area. ..

You really need to concentrate on 'learning' more and talking less.

And all your talk of how grapplers will not leave their vital exposed is wrong. ..

I actually never said that, did I clown?

I have watched many, many fights and studied them ..

There we go again. Fun time in Imagination Land!

By the way, when I talk of a Kung Fu fighter I am speaking of masters of kung Fu who have years of Chin na experience ..

And this comes up very often as well. It's always some nameless, faceless 'master.' That way, the person spouting nonsense never has to be held accountable.

[arizonatraining]

Fear No Punch is real

Then really show us it really working against someone who really knows how to set up and take a really real shot and not some clumsy doofus in the stripmall 'kungfu' school who learned how to take a half-assed shot from YOU of all people.

Hurry up.

WOW!

The FEAR NO PUNCH website was excellent. The videos are about taking your defensive skills to the next level. I ordered the DVD series and this type of training is off the charts. 7 hours of the best illustrated instructional video I have ever learned from. I have to admit that this guy is really bashed on the internet sites, and now I know why, Coal Akida is incredible and makes other fighters and instructors look somewhat shameful, so I understand the hate for him on the internet.

All that aside every aspect of the Zero Fear Impact training program DVD is ground breaking!

I recently read about him training at Fort Carson and found FNP training technology articles in the Colorado Military Times observer. What I have come to understand is people hate what they fear and do not understand.

Although I have not done anything more than get the DVD and review the dvd my conclusions are as follows;

Coal Akida has created an entirely new set of combative skills and training methods and anyone that says different has simply not gotten the DVD period.

I may be only 28 years old but it dose not take a rocket scientist to figure out that Coal Akida has broken new ground with his FNP technology.

I cannot even begin to list the number of New concepts that Coal Akida has developed as each one of them could be a separate topic on their own.

I hope this help others make better decisions in their training programs.

[Garland]

...What is up with these new posters? Is everyone trying to sell something? This claw guy is a hoot, though. He's getting you guys pretty good. HI-YA!

[Ben Grimm]

He's just a nutjob.

[TigerClaw]

He's just a nutjob.

No, I'm not, I am exposing your lack of martial understanding, with pics and explainations , often.

[TigerClaw]

He's just a nutjob.

Ben, I am going to try and see some good things in you. Because all that has appeared about you from me so far is answers to your attacks and mean spiritedness. But..I know that this is not all you are.

1. You study Wing Chun I think. Thats good, Wing Chun is a solid and very effective style. If you continue in it you should be good at Kung Fu. And you seek to continue to learn other forms of fighting, ground fighting etc, that is also good, it shows a willingness to grow and continue learning. We are similar in that respect.

2. You are a family man as I understand, and that is good. Usually people with family have learned some things about life that those who have no wife or kids cannot. We are similar in that respect.

3. You have some courage, to run after a thief who took something from your wife. This shows a willingness to step outside of the norm and take action. We are similar in that respect.

You have a job it appears and try to take care of your family. Thats good.

I hope I can turn your attitude towards myself and others from the way you are in here. I firmly believe you and a few others have misunderstood me and given false information about me, What I have told you is truth and how you choose to take that truth is the path you put yourself on. It is like a rolling snowball, and it continues to get bigger as it rolls down. But the problem is that it gathers snow from the mountain it rolls down, however I am on a different mountain.