Old footage of Chinese Kungfu Sifu's fighting?

[Ben Grimm]

Which movie did you watch TigerClown? Was it really Ip Man? I don't think so.

[TigerClaw]

Which movie did you watch TigerClown? Was it really Ip Man? I don't think so.

It was called Ip man, I think Donny Yen may have been the main actor. It was quite good. He fights ten karate guys at once in a dynamic display of Wing Chun. And yes the movements were from the wing Chun system as far as i could tell. I know it is a film. But wonderful kung fu.

The whole movie is around Ip Man.

[TigerClaw]

To all,

Jubaji, has in his post this,

"Originally Posted by TigerClaw
No, I mean I watched a good kung fu movie and pretended I was teaching my students a two man form of praying mantis kung fu.

Yeah, that's what I thought."

I never said what he posted there he changed the words. men like this should really be banned. They falsely represent others in their lies. They change quotes that i made and act as if i said another thing. This is the worst kind of people in here.

[TigerClaw]

Which movie did you watch TigerClown? Was it really Ip Man? I don't think so.

This was the film I watched and it was very good

YouTube - Ip Man/Yip Man Official Teaser Trailer with Subtitles(New Donnie Yen Film!)

YouTube - Ip Man - Best Movie Fight

excellent film.

[pstevens]

think about it. whats one thing in common all art forms you see in the octagon and in general make up MMA today -- BJJ, MT, Boxing, Wrestling. They are ALL competitive art forms in themselves. No one takes these art forms for fun or with their kids once a week. They are all done to compete and to win. As a result of this competitive nature there is better quality control. not only do they train hard skill wise the also train hard so that they are in good physical condition.

Actually, kids are warming up to MMA and BJJ… But the point you’re making IS exactly my point; these arts work because they are practical and a history of good training methods.

This is an issue of poor quality sifus, who were also victims of bad sifus, with over inflated egos and no competition or challenge to give them a reality check. this is not an issue with the actual art itself.

Do you know these two men? They’re Grand Masters in kung-fu and their lineage exists today. Is my point clear yet? It’s quite simple really; this sort of thing has been ongoing in kung-fu forever. Kung-fu has a history of unproven grand masters and styles that have gone unchecked for centuries! Hence, these two blokes who can’t fight worth a dime…

Are there real kung-fu men who are fighters out there; probably, but far too few… Also, they might be better suited to adapt their training to the times. As I’ve stated before, the REAL kung-fu is one that works, not one that is surrounded by mysticism, secrecy, and deep traditions. It simply works.

[Mr. G]

that was a good movie

[Tom Yum]

Gong-fu fighting

Check out the Lacy Family. As far as I understand it, they've had challengers come into their school and have video taped it. Lacy Jr. can be seen knocking out a mean, muscled looking brawler.

I have seen gong-fu guys who could fight. Here's what I've noticed.

- They are deceptive. No its not secret, mystical chi. Its striking from angles your not expecting, in ways you are not used to seeing. It happens in the ring from time to time - check out spinning back kick and spinning wheel kick knockouts - yes, fancy schmancy spinning kicks knocking fighters out cold. Yes, there are strikes that seem to strike around the boxers guard.

- They have excellent timing.

- They don't look like they can fight. Just because the guy doesn't look or act like Rampage Jackson or Chuck Liddel, doesn't mean they are weak/ineffective.

- They fight unconventionally. They're not always putting up their dukes.

[pstevens]

Check out the Lacy Family. As far as I understand it, they've had challengers come into their school and have video taped it. Lacy Jr. can be seen knocking out a mean, muscled looking brawler.

I have seen gong-fu guys who could fight. Here's what I've noticed.

- They are deceptive. No its not secret, mystical chi. Its striking from angles your not expecting, in ways you are not used to seeing. It happens in the ring from time to time - check out spinning back kick and spinning wheel kick knockouts - yes, fancy schmancy spinning kicks knocking fighters out cold. Yes, there are strikes that seem to strike around the boxers guard.

- They have excellent timing.

- They don't look like they can fight. Just because the guy doesn't look or act like Rampage Jackson or Chuck Liddel, doesn't mean they are weak/ineffective.

- They fight unconventionally. They're not always putting up their dukes.

Oh, I don't doubt that effective kung-fu exists. These are people who've subjected their techniques to testing and understand how they can work against live resistance. I just doubt people who:

1. Know "deadly", centuries-old kung-fu techniques

2. Speak with a Chinese-english accent, even though they're non-Chinese

3. Wear black and white kung-fu uniforms outside practicing

4. Talk all mystical about chi, aura and dim mak

5. Then turn on the UFC and say, "I could take those guys."

[jonbey]

I am in a funny situation here. Kung-fu is the only art I have really studied (Shaolin hung kuen, Yang tai chi, bit of Wing Chun, mostly Southern Mantis) but yet I still think to myself "would I be able to defend myself?". I am not a confident fighter, even though my sifu in the past has said that I am OK. Strange. There is something very solid in knowing a jab, cross hook combo. Kung-fu techniques can be devastating, but part of the problem is that they are hard to test. Even in the video clip they probably had rules like "don't kick me in the balls or crush my windpipe". For me kung-fu is more about stamping on knees, using forearms to smash anything that gets near you etc. Going for the throat, and those strange hammer hands too. But I have sparred with good kick boxers and they really are hard to get around.

Another possible "problem" with the CMA v CMA fights is that they are very keen to show their style. Remember that this is something that Bruce Lee was very keen to move away from, as he saw that form/style held a fighter back - and he was right. The great thing about MMA is that it takes anything that works. But, it still has rules. I have heard some stories from kung-fu fighters on the illegal circuit (many years ago) and a lot of damage gets done. So the techniques are effective. Maybe the fact that the cameras are rolling changes things too much.

[TigerClaw]

Another possible "problem" with the CMA v CMA fights is that they are very keen to show their style. Remember that this is something that Bruce Lee was very keen to move away from, as he saw that form/style held a fighter back - and he was right.

I don't really agree with Bruce Lee there. from what I understaood he only had three or six month training in Wing Chun. But as far as other styles, I am not sure what he really learned. He seems to have made up his own fightng style based on his abilities, and speed. But style, to master a style takes a lifetime. For example, A person that has mastered lets say the mantis style, has developed his techniques to work for him in every situation, and to be able to fight in the form and structure of that style, while still being free to develope countless combinations and move from within it.

[Ben Grimm]

Let me guess TigerClown.... you learned some more mantis from a Shaw Brothers film. Wait let me guess..... it was from Black Belt Magazine, and the military said that they would use it, right?

[jubaji]

He was watching a Shaw's Bro. film while an insect crawled around on top of the TV.

[Ben Grimm]

So, that's what it was.....

[pstevens]

Tigerclaw aside... I constantly hear from CMA people that Bruce Lee "only took 3 or 4 months of kung-fu, yada, yada, yada..." Well, this may be true, but he spent the remainder of his life studying various martial arts and honing his skills. In fact, few CMArtists today can duplicate his abilities. And don't say he was was born with these traits... It's a copout. Read the book, "The Art of Expressing...." (can't remember entire title). The truth is that Bruce worked himself to exhaustion to get where he was. It just didn't happen overnight. The man was dedicated. He was filling gaps in his own game, which is more than I can say for other CMA's.

Not to sound like a complete Bruce Lee nuthugger, but the man had vision. He made a decision about what he wanted to accomplish and did it. Nuff said.

[Ben Grimm]

As a Wing Chun stylist, I can say that Bruce only trained in the fundamentals. He only had Siu Nim Tau and a part of Chum Kiu (The first and second forms respectively), if you read Unresolved Matters by Tom Bleecker, you will find out that Bruce Lee had to leave Hong Kong when he did, or else.... Besides, he couldn't learn any more Wing Chun in the US at that time, because I don't think anybody was teaching it. So he did what he had to do, and that was go his own way. Wing Chun is great, but I don't think it's a complete style. And before you say anything TigerClown.... STFU!