Can BJJ work in a real fight??????

[pstevens]

TigerClaw.....Have you picked up an issue of Inside Kung Fu lately? Even kung fu magazines are jumping on the BJJ bandwagon. There is a monthly colomn called the Gracie Lagacy written by Rorion Gracie. In this months issue there are several grappling articles. Check it out.

Well, for all it's worth, I'm not a big fan of Whorian Gracie. His family was bent on destroying any form of martial art not their own. But now, because of MMA, they're changing their tune and partnering with other styles.

Let me make my position clear. BJJ was created with the sole purpose of exploiting weaknesses found in other arts. The counter to this problem is to learn the weaknesses of BJJ through understanding and humility. Learn it and you will understand its inner workings; then you can counter it.

This is essentially what happened in MMA. The BJJ guys once ruled the cage, but as soon as wreslters and strikers learned BJJ and knew how to counter it; pure BJJ became useless. The difference between MMA guys today isn't BJJ, but wrestling and striking, because everyone knows BJJ already.

I think JD hit on this a while back; but grappling is a very natural thing to do. Therefore, once you embrace it and learn how to use it, you can naturally learn how to progress, defend, counter, etc... Striking itself is natural, but good striking is either an attribute or developed through intense work.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Well, for all it's worth, I'm not a big fan of Whorian Gracie. His family was bent on destroying any form of martial art not their own. But now, because of MMA, they're changing their tune and partnering with other styles.

Let me make my position clear. BJJ was created with the sole purpose of exploiting weaknesses found in other arts. The counter to this problem is to learn the weaknesses of BJJ through understanding and humility. Learn it and you will understand its inner workings; then you can counter it.

This is essentially what happened in MMA. The BJJ guys once ruled the cage, but as soon as wreslters and strikers learned BJJ and knew how to counter it; pure BJJ became useless. The difference between MMA guys today isn't BJJ, but wrestling and striking, because everyone knows BJJ already.

I think JD hit on this a while back; but grappling is a very natural thing to do. Therefore, once you embrace it and learn how to use it, you can naturally learn how to progress, defend, counter, etc... Striking itself is natural, but good striking is either an attribute or developed through intense work.

I think striking is only so natural to an extent. There're so many reflexes that're detrimental to one's striking ability (closing your eyes when a fist comes, ducking your head to punch, leaning your head back away). Who knows, I could be wrong .

[Sagacious Lu]

I think striking is only so natural to an extent. There're so many reflexes that're detrimental to one's striking ability (closing your eyes when a fist comes, ducking your head to punch, leaning your head back away). Who knows, I could be wrong .

Some people just naturally hit hard, but that doesn't matter if you can't land a shot...

[TigerClaw]

TigerClaw.....Have you picked up an issue of Inside Kung Fu lately? Even kung fu magazines are jumping on the BJJ bandwagon. There is a monthly colomn called the Gracie Lagacy written by Rorion Gracie. In this months issue there are several grappling articles. Check it out.

I think they do this because of selling issues, money is the aim, no doubt.

I think even among many Kung Fu pratictioners you may find only a few who really understand the depth and useage of real kung Fu. I have even met master who say that their style and certain aspects of it, aren't for our time. They act as if you cannot fight with some of the techniques in their forms. They have even seemed to give up.

To really master a style of Kung Fu, it needs to be practiced long and hard. You need to develope conditioning also.Many simply are not motivated enough to practice this way. We see so much quick fix stuff in the West.

[TigerClaw]

Some people just naturally hit hard, but that doesn't matter if you can't land a shot...

To be able to close in and overcome the bridges of the opponent fast and wirey is very effective. if you learn how to get in quickly and walk over his guard and trap him, there are many possibilities. Praying mantis and Wing Chun have alot of this dominating of the opponents guard and walking over and under the bridges. It is so fast and effective and to do it alot develops a sensitivity to the hands that is very frustrating to the untrained opponent.

This is the sort of thing i am talking about,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qhPDEOYbx4

I know it is only a film, but there are real techniques there. Watch how he closes the gap and overcomes the bridges of the opponent.

Here is a slightly interesting clip,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfLq__054Qk&feature=related

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Some people just naturally hit hard, but that doesn't matter if you can't land a shot...

A buddy of mine I train with has seen more bar fights than anyone I've ever known. He tells me about 99% of the time they come in to throw these crazy haymakers that never land and he just decks them to the ground by stepping in with a cross. Funny how a little concept like throwing down the line can make all the difference in the world.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

ofcoarse, when used for defense you can escape many situations , and attack if you need to and finish the fight

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

To be able to close in and overcome the bridges of the opponent fast and wirey is very effective. if you learn how to get in quickly and walk over his guard and trap him, there are many possibilities. Praying mantis and Wing Chun have alot of this dominating of the opponents guard and walking over and under the bridges. It is so fast and effective and to do it alot develops a sensitivity to the hands that is very frustrating to the untrained opponent.

This is the sort of thing i am talking about,

YouTube - Ip Man (2008)- Ip Man vs 10 Black Belts

I know it is only a film, but there are real techniques there. Watch how he closes the gap and overcomes the bridges of the opponent.

Here is a slightly interesting clip,

YouTube - Wing Chun- Full Contact

Save it for the movies

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

The BJJ guys once ruled the cage, but as soon as wreslters and strikers learned BJJ and knew how to counter it; pure BJJ became useless. The difference between MMA guys today isn't BJJ, but wrestling and striking, because everyone knows BJJ already.

yea just like pure boxing, pure judo, and pure wrestling is useless....

[TigerClaw]

Save it for the movies

There is a real live full contact Wing Chun clip in there also. Wake up!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

There is a real live full contact Wing Chun clip in there also. Wake up!

I saw that clip and the end. Was that supposed to impressive or something? They were just swinging wildy, no movement on the feet, just flailing arm punches until that one idiot when for a improper takedown and got pounded out

[jonbey]

Regarding BJJ or any other grappling style, in a real fight it should be a last resort. If *you* get taken down, you have a few tricks left to play, but don't go throwing yourself on the floor when there are 6 pairs of Doc Martins dancing around you.

If you find yourself faced with 3 opponents, run like buggery and hope they are not as fit as you. If they do catch up, you may still have an advantage if you have been doing your cardio workouts! Hopefully a couple will keel over before managing to reach you though, and just leave one wheezing drunkard who won't see your big cross coming.

[Sagacious Lu]

A buddy of mine I train with has seen more bar fights than anyone I've ever known. He tells me about 99% of the time they come in to throw these crazy haymakers that never land and he just decks them to the ground by stepping in with a cross. Funny how a little concept like throwing down the line can make all the difference in the world.

A good hard straight is a beautiful thing!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

A good hard straight is a beautiful thing!

Damn straight it is ! Especially when it lands as a counter punch, they never see that shit coming!