Why I don't practice BJJ

[jubaji]

If I'm not worth it then you would just ignore me.

That is not a logical conclusion.

[JadeDragon]

so why do you keep on and on then when I post. Are you in love with me or something? Are you obsessive compulsive? Are you that bored?

[jubaji]

so why do you keep on and on then when I post?

Because you keep posting stupid shit, ya stupid (racist) shit.

[Ben Grimm]

But TigerClown doesn't need to go to the ground... He's too "deadly."

[pstevens]

It's pretty clear that many kung-fu people who "claim" to have studied BJJ have NEVER set foot in on a mat. Yet, they list BJJ as experience, as if to validate their claims against it. Hence, the basic Internet argument:

"...Even though I'm a big fan of [insert style here], I don't believe it works because of blah, blah, blah..."

This is the basic model of most Internet "style vs style" argument. The structure of this argument is meant to do 2 things:

1. Add credibility to their claim by asserting that they have studied the art before making their assessment.

2. Add insult to those who study the style, by insinuating that what they know is superior; hence they've chosen to ignore the style.

Personally, I'd prefer a straight argument such as: "... I don't believe [insert sytle here] works for the following reasons... blah, blah, blah..."

As such, I'm quite certain that neither Tiger Claw nor JadeDragon have ever taken a BJJ class; but with the amount of information readily available today, I probably wouldn't be able to prove this idea. Therefore, I issue them both a personal challenge to explore BJJ or other grappling arts to see if they might enjoy it. I honestly believe if they can get past their prejudices, they might enjoy it.

[TigerClaw]

The high amounts of Bullshido being evidenced on this forum by some of the trolls here is just mind-blowing! Nope, not talking about Jubaji but I am talking about Tigerclown, and Jad Dragon...and thier alter-ego, "Uke".

Tigerclown has done more to deter people from starting Kung-fu then anyone I have ever seen. Great example you set, Clown.

Jade Dragon just basically apes whatever the clown says.

Good thing there are people like the two other posters in this section, good examples of real kung fu stylists. But forget Clown and Jade. They are ruining Kung-Fu's good name.

Then we have Uke, who thinks that the only reason BJJ and MMA guys win fights is because they have trainers, and doctors, and money. Yeah, right. It was the non-corporate, non-sponsered high school WRESTLERS that I saw winning fist fights, and street fights. I have SEEN it with my own eyes. No conjecture, no theories. It's a fact that these LARP stylists will never admit to.

So, call out Jubaji all you want. He doesn't need to travel to your location to give you the beat down you really deserve. You can just go to any boxing, wrestling, BJJ or even JUDO club to get your come-uppance. But we already know that you won't.

I love what the one poster basically said, that BJJ guys know all those "deadly" techniques too....they just don't need them to win fights.

I was sparring with a master the other day in mantis style and you have no idea what wonderful tequniques are employed. The opponent gets locked trapped shifted off balance, pressed in etc etc etc.

It is not all eye gouges and claws and breaks.

[Ben Grimm]

I was sparring with a mantis the other day in mantis style and you have no idea what wonderful techniques I LARP.

It is all eye gouges and claws and breaks.

So how big was this mantis? Did you beat him with his own techniques or did you use techniques that you copied from watching another mantis?

[TigerClaw]

So how big was this mantis? Did you beat him with his own techniques or did you use techniques that you copied from watching another mantis?

This praying mantis, master, was a bit shorter than me. And I used some mantis techniques that I know from my study of the Praying Mantis style after having been taught by very good instructors. I also used the snake style and others. My techniques worked for me very well.

We got in very close quarter for some reason and only occassionally was there mid range techniques used.

[JadeDragon]

Because you are the shit, I wish I were like you. Your my hero.

I know. Alot of people wish they were like me.

[JadeDragon]

It's pretty clear that many kung-fu people who "claim" to have studied BJJ have NEVER set foot in on a mat. Yet, they list BJJ as experience, as if to validate their claims against it. Hence, the basic Internet argument:

As such, I'm quite certain that neither Tiger Claw nor JadeDragon have ever taken a BJJ class; but with the amount of information readily available today, I probably wouldn't be able to prove this idea. Therefore, I issue them both a personal challenge to explore BJJ or other grappling arts to see if they might enjoy it. I honestly believe if they can get past their prejudices, they might enjoy it.

So you don't think that I have ever taken a BJJ class huh? Well, here is the phone number to the school where I took lessons for about a year. It's also the same school where Junie Browning goes (the guy from ultimate fighter). The school is called Four Seasons United Martial Arts Academy and the phone number is 859-245-5002. Ask for the owner Michael O'Donnell. He's a black belt under Carlson Gracie Jr.. He was my teacher as well as a guy named Aaron Basil who is no longer there. I trained there back in I guess 2000 or 2001.

On a side note, the owner of the school was one of my class mates when he studied kung fu so he can verify anything relating to my kung fu. We both started kung fu together back in 1987 under the same Sifu (John Dufresne). I've provided names and phone number to my teachers. Where is your proof of your credentials and/or teachers? I'll give you my kung fu teachers number as well if you don't mind calling China. His number in China is: +86 1 501 4113455. Or I can give you one of my other teachers number in Tennessee. I have nothing to hide. Do you?

[JadeDragon]

I like BJJ but I feel more confident with my kung fu and will always rely on it first if I can. I have never knocked BJJ. I have always stated that it's the fighter skills is what determines the out come of a fight, not what style he does. Anyone can be beat on any given day. I just happen to prefer kung fu over grappling. That doesn't mean that I won't use jiu jitsu if I have to it just means that I will try to keep the fight standing up because thats where I'm stronger at.

[JadeDragon]

Just edited post #43 and added my Sifu's number for what it's worth. Still waiting for proof of your credentials Jubaji. Whose your teachers and whats thier phone numbers?

[pstevens]

So you don't think that I have ever taken a BJJ class huh? Well, here is the phone number to the school where I took lessons for about a year. It's also the same school where Junie Browning goes (the guy from ultimate fighter). The school is called Four Seasons United Martial Arts Academy and the phone number is 859-245-5002. Ask for the owner Michael O'Donnell. He's a black belt under Carlson Gracie Jr.. He was my teacher as well as a guy named Aaron Basil who is no longer there. I trained there back in I guess 2000 or 2001.

Frankly, I don’t care where you took grappling lessons. My intention wasn’t to find your place of training, but to expose your limited knowledge of BJJ and grappling; which you have. I made my remark based on the type of statements you’ve made.

I like BJJ but I feel more confident with my kung fu and will always rely on it first if I can. I have never knocked BJJ. I have always stated that it's the fighter skills is what determines the out come of a fight, not what style he does. Anyone can be beat on any given day. I just happen to prefer kung fu over grappling. That doesn't mean that I won't use jiu jitsu if I have to it just means that I will try to keep the fight standing up because thats where I'm stronger at.

Speaking of which, I know why you’re more confident with your kung-fu… You’re one of those kung-fu guys who heard about the BJJ hype and decided to try it out. Most likely, you tried it out for a year and realized how hard it really was to be good at. Like most people who quit after a year, you only touched the surface… In my honest opinion, most things in BJJ don’t start to sink in until after 2-3 years.

But you already had an agenda before going into BJJ. You wanted to prove to yourself that what you were already doing was BETTER. Ofcourse you’re going to feel more confident with your kung-fu, you’ve been doing it forever.

But seriously, all styles are not created equal. It’s called practicality and it applies to the biomechanics of training, fighting, etc… There’s always a better, more efficient and more practical way of doing things. Some people just chose to run the opposite direction.

[JadeDragon]

Frankly, I don’t care where you took grappling lessons. My intention wasn’t to find your place of training, but to expose your limited knowledge of BJJ and grappling; which you have. I made my remark based on the type of statements you’ve made.



Speaking of which, I know why you’re more confident with your kung-fu… You’re one of those kung-fu guys who heard about the BJJ hype and decided to try it out. Most likely, you tried it out for a year and realized how hard it really was to be good at. Like most people who quit after a year, you only touched the surface… In my honest opinion, most things in BJJ don’t start to sink in until after 2-3 years.

But you already had an agenda before going into BJJ. You wanted to prove to yourself that what you were already doing was BETTER. Of course you’re going to feel more confident with your kung-fu, you’ve been doing it forever.

But seriously, all styles are not created equal. It’s called practicality and it applies to the biomechanics of training, fighting, etc… There’s always a better, more efficient and more practical way of doing things. Some people just chose to run the opposite direction.

There you go with your assumming. You don't know a thing about me. I know how hard jiu jitsu is. I DID NOT quit jiu jitsu because it was to hard.....I've done a lot harder things than BJJ. I know what it's like to work your ass off at a sport. I know what it's like trying to cut weight for competition. I know what its like to work out for hours and sweat your ass off. I know what it's like to push your self to be the best you can be. I did all of this and more when I wrestled and then I would go and do it all over again an hour later for a couple more hours for my kung fu training. So don't sit there and type things you have no idea about. I did not already have an agenda before starting jiu jitsu. I just simply like stand up fighting and kung fu better. Is that so hard to fathem (that means understand in case you didn't know)???

[jubaji]

LOL! The 'Fire Chief' thinks he's a grapple god because of a few years on the East Nowhere High squad. We've been through all this over and over.