Sriking take down

[jubaji]

Why don't you guys go find some college wrestler, and see if you can take him down, or even hurt him.

I am betting very few of you can.

They could try their hip push (oh sorry, 'strike' ) technique and let us know how it worked out. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they might pull it off one time out of ten if they had 20-30 lbs on him.

[jubaji]

Certain rules of don't apply to Jubs, like the moderator rules on this forum.

How 'bout you? You want to discuss the topic?

[jubaji]

You know jubaji is right I totally forgot about the suplexing a wildly slashing knife wielding opponent without taking any damage at all.

Would you like to bring anything else unrelated into this discussion? Or do you just want to admit you lack the experience to discuss the technique in question and leave it at that? Because I was trying to discuss the technique in question.

[jubaji]

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Not my fault you contradict yourself.

[mellow]

You know jubaji is right I totally forgot about the suplexing a wildly slashing knife wielding opponent without taking any damage at all.

Certain rules of don't apply to Jubs, like the moderator rules on this forum.

[kingoftheforest]

Superplex.

You know jubaji is right I totally forgot about the suplexing a wildly slashing knife wielding opponent without taking any damage at all.

[kingoftheforest]

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[jubaji]

Like any move if properly executed.

You are really good at contradicting yourself.

[jubaji]

Well that's about as desperate and transparent an attempt to save face as we've seen here in quite a while. Did you want to mention that the quotes you took were from a thread where someone was asking me for advice on becoming a more successful competitive wrestler? That's pretty weak even for you.

[kingoftheforest]

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Like any move if properly executed.

But since we are talking about something used for SD let's take a look at your advice for getting a shoot in on an opponent.

If you wait until they are moving, you will not react fast enough. You have to read the set up and get a tactile feel for where your opponent is going before he gets going. Kinda like sprinters get a jump on the field by anticipating the starting gun. The danger, of course, is that you will get suckered by a fake. Experience, experience

So in order to get the shoot you have to be the aggressor. Doesn't sound like SD to me. Sounds like you are initiating the fight. But I'm sure that "you have to move first" is just a misinterpretation on my part.

And if you get caught by a fake, you eat a knee, or are you still claiming you can back out of a shoot if you have to?

Keep shooting, and you will get one. A good rule of thumb is: you take up to 7 shots to get one takedown. If you keep hammering away, you'll get there (provided the other guy doesn't get you first! )

7 shots really. And what is the assailant doing standing there like a cardboard cutout. Doesn't sound like a safe technique to use when your attacker may be armed.

Lead with the head seven times into the attackers center, that'll work.

You might understand grappling on a rules based dueling in the ring sense, but obviously dealing with a real world situation isn't your thing.

-the hairdresser-

[jubaji]

Nobody said it works ALL the time for ANY situation. You're seeing things that aren't there.

it will make anyone fall down.

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[jubaji]

It's only a matter of time before the name calling starts.

I have no doubt you will.

[jubaji]

I never saw it used but it was being talked about by a cop from the point of view of weapons retention. The same cop did practice BJJ and understood wrestling, I'll see if I can find the article. Obviously he needed an alternative that involved being able to maintain control of his side arm and allow him to create distance from the opponent and draw down on him.

The good news is that most folks can't really hit a double (or any other shot) to save their lives. A crappy, uncoordinated, half-ass shot can be countered in any number of ways. Also, a sprawl is not limited to what may be taught (once and only once in a context where grappling is not really addressed at all) by folks who aren't really very experienced in grappling themselves. Depending on the shot, the shooter, and the circumstance a successful sprawl will leave at least one hand completely free to do whatever. What you were reading about may very well have been a sprawl and not an alternative.

[kingoftheforest]

Let me say again: NOTHING works all the time and for everyone and every situation, but the technique in the vid that started this thread 'strikes' me as pretty low percentage. I don't think that's such a shocking or threatening thing to say.

Nobody said it works ALL the time for ANY situation. You're seeing things that aren't there.


And this seems to be repeated by you over and over.

It's apparent from the onset that this has offended you some how and you can't get over it. So you just keep repeating yourself. It's rather childish really.


It's only a matter of time before the name calling starts.

[jubaji]

I'm not saying I'd practice over a double leg (which can also be countered) but I'd give it a go and see if I liked it.

Nothing wrong with that.