Sriking take down

[kingoftheforest]

I hesitate to call any particular technique INSTINCT? There is a great deal to be said for (what I call) sensitivity. There are certainly things we FAVOR doing over other THINGS we could do... Training is important but experience... Well... every situation has a unique course of resolution.

Taking advantage of whatever position, momentum or technique that is presented and adapting our response to the level of force required.

I've always found DOING a thing much easier than talking about it...

Just an example... I was asked (recently) how I could be so fast?

I'm not really fast... The perception of time changes a great deal when you sense what's on the way. Being prepared to adapt is the key.

Would you agree then that you fight like you train? Which would then influence how you are more apt to react a certain way when presented with a split second decision.

[jubaji]

I mean a grappler will probably look to shoot in and a striker will want to strike.

A grappler is more likely to grapple and a striker to strike, but having a particular area of strength doesn't necessarily make you stupid. The human being with a bit of sense in his head will do whatever he can that he thinks is the best course of action in a given situation.

[Tant01]

Instinct...

but how much time do you really have to decide what to do in any situation.

You have to react on instinct and that comes with training.

I hesitate to call any particular technique INSTINCT? There is a great deal to be said for (what I call) sensitivity. There are certainly things we FAVOR doing over other THINGS we could do... Training is important but experience... Well... every situation has a unique course of resolution.

Taking advantage of whatever position, momentum or technique that is presented and adapting our response to the level of force required.

I've always found DOING a thing much easier than talking about it...

Just an example... I was asked (recently) how I could be so fast?

I'm not really fast... The perception of time changes a great deal when you sense what's on the way. Being prepared to adapt is the key.

[Junka]

Oh would both of you please give it a rest

[Junka]

Of course. Circumstances determine the best course of action in any situation, regardless of what agenda someone insists upon.

Yes, it's partly about what the opponent will 'let' you do, at least the way I see it. Being fairly small, I can't realistically expect to determine the fight too much, since I can't simply manhandle. That said, your agenda does come into it surely?
I mean a grappler will probably look to shoot in and a striker will want to strike. I'm not saying I wouldn't ever strike but my own agenda when faced with an agressive striker would be the shoot in and take down due in part to my strikes not being all that good and my take downs being at least passable.

[jubaji]

Don't let me keep ya. Come back when you have enough grappling experience to understand half of what has been said here.

[kingoftheforest]

When are you going to leave this thread and start posting on the threads I opened in the RBMA forum?

LOL As soon as somebody clears out the underneath of the bridge.

[Junka]

That's true KOTF....we may have our wires crossed here, I wasn't saying anything much different....I was actually saying that my own example was also making assumptions. For example, if the other guy is pushing you and looking like he's going to fight then hitting first would be a probable response, if he's come in swinging then you'd be looking at working another angle....(either shooting in or striking, whatever your preference)..hell I'm too tired to make sense right now.

When are you going to leave this thread and start posting on the threads I opened in the RBMA forum?

[kingoftheforest]

We're back to it being situational. For some people going under the oncoming attack and taking down would be easier, for some slipping and counter striking would be easier. Even in that scenario there's a lot of assumptions, the fact that your dealing with someone who's already coming in swinging.

but how much time do you really have to decide what to do in any situation.

You have to react on instinct and that comes with training.

[jubaji]

We're back to it being situational.

Of course. Circumstances determine the best course of action in any situation, regardless of what agenda someone insists upon.

[jubaji]

There seems to be a tendency on these forums for some people to be emotionally attached to grappling or striking.

It's more a matter of folks being (pathologically) attached to a given agenda.

[kingoftheforest]

Dunno about fights but it's fine motor skills that are thought to suffer in any kind of high stress situation.

Yep sorry was a typo I was reading something and typing at the same time. Nobody is perfect.

There seems to be a tendency on these forums for some people to be emotionally attached to grappling or striking.

It's not really emotional for me just a personal preference. I look at things more from an SD point of view and not very much from a sport or ring mentality. So for me striking is more effective and makes more sense.

[Junka]

Well it's all in writing here. Most of the people who believe your wrong will also be the first to point out that "gross motor skills go out the window in a fight"

Dunno about fights but it's fine motor skills that are thought to suffer in any kind of high stress situation.

We're back to it being situational. For some people going under the oncoming attack and taking down would be easier, for some slipping and counter striking would be easier. Even in that scenario there's a lot of assumptions, the fact that your dealing with someone who's already coming in swinging.

Both take downs and strikes mean nothing without practice and the ability to pull them off. I do still like the foot trap and push idea though. On the other hand I like double leg take downs since it's one of the few techniques I picked up quickly.

There seems to be a tendency on these forums for some people to be emotionally attached to grappling or striking.

[jubaji]

Tell me, when you see someone say things like "this will make anyone fall down," you don't instinctively keep one hand on your wallet while you reach for a grain of salt with the other? Overly categorical statements belong to the realm of the theoretical. Nothing makes anyone fall down (with the implication of 'all the time') in the real world. Too many variables for that to be the case.

Good point!

[kingoftheforest]

Whoops yep a typo fine motor skills is what I meant.




Motor skills are motions carried out when the brain, nervous system, and muscles work together. Fine motor skills are small movements
— such as grabbing something with your thumb and forefinger — that use the small muscles of the fingers, toes, wrists, lips, and tongue. Gross motor skills are the bigger movements — such as running and jumping — that use the large muscles in the arms, legs, torso, and feet.