Sriking take down

[kingoftheforest]

Sure, of course. But there's a world of difference between the timing and accuracy needed to grab a large and relatively slow moving target (i.e. - the leg, for a wrestling or judo takedown) vs. a small and fast moving target (i.e. - the foot, in this case). Don't you agree?

In the original video I saw no grabbing?

Also I had started this thread to discuss options on taking down an opponent without use of the grab.


It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

[Tant01]

HIA vs. FIA

Sure, of course. But there's a world of difference between the timing and accuracy needed to grab a large and relatively slow moving target (i.e. - the leg, for a wrestling or judo takedown) vs. a small and fast moving target (i.e. - the foot, in this case). Don't you agree?

Ever been exposed to trapping? Hand immobilization is (in my experience) more difficult than foot immobilization for the reason that it (foot trapping) is less orthadox and more unexpected.

[Tant01]

Show me....

In the original video I saw no grabbing?

Also I had started this thread to discuss options on taking down an opponent without use of the grab.


It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

The idea of PINNING his foot to the deck seems less like "striking" than grappling? It's functionally a "hold" of sorts? wouldn't you say? While the so called strike is more of a push? IDK...

Words always fail when I try to convey ideas. I know it's rapid and requires an attachment (or two)...

I'm curious what your next technique will be for STRIKING takedowns...



Lay it on us KOTF!

[kingoftheforest]

The idea of PINNING his foot to the deck seems less like "striking" than grappling? It's functionally a "hold" of sorts? wouldn't you say? While the so called strike is more of a push? IDK...

Words always fail when I try to convey ideas. I know it's rapid and requires an attachment (or two)...

I'm curious what your next technique will be for STRIKING takedowns...



Lay it on us KOTF!

The video is the basic idea behind it. After that it all comes down to the explanation of disrupting the 3 harmonies.

There are numerous variations depending on the situation and the input of the other party/parties.

In KF they call it disrupting the 3 harmonies (those being upper=head middle=waist and lower=legs.).


When you disrupt 2 of the harmonies or sections of the body it causes your opponent to lose his root or balance.


The video shows a disruption of the lower and middle harmonies.

[jubaji]

It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

That depends on circumstances and what you are trying to hit/grab on whom and what he may be doing at the time.

[TTEscrima]

It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

Careful, now you're going to get people riled up. I've actually heard clowns try to debate this.

The simplest movement is the fastest, if you can't manage to make contact with an object, you damn sure can't manage to make contact then grasp and control it.

Anytime you have the time and control to facilitate seizing and controlling you can strike, but just because you can strike does not mean you will have the time or finesse to seize and control.

[jubaji]

Careful, now you're going to get people riled up.

Could it be that you have already decided that you want to get riled up (again), miss?

[kingoftheforest]

Careful, now you're going to get people riled up. I've actually heard clowns try to debate this.

The simplest movement is the fastest, if you can't manage to make contact with an object, you damn sure can't manage to make contact then grasp and control it.

Anytime you have the time and control to facilitate seizing and controlling you can strike, but just because you can strike does not mean you will have the time or finesse to seize and control.

Well it's all in writing here. Most of the people who believe your wrong will also be the first to point out that "Fine motor skills go out the window in a fight"


So when they talk you gotta reach for the salt and hold on to your wallet tight.....................before those motor skills go and you can't even grab your own ass.

[jubaji]

Well it's all in writing here. Most of the people who believe your wrong will also be the first to point out that "gross motor skills go out the window in a fight"

???????????????


You sure you don't want to try that one again, genius?

[kingoftheforest]

Whoops yep a typo fine motor skills is what I meant.




Motor skills are motions carried out when the brain, nervous system, and muscles work together. Fine motor skills are small movements
— such as grabbing something with your thumb and forefinger — that use the small muscles of the fingers, toes, wrists, lips, and tongue. Gross motor skills are the bigger movements — such as running and jumping — that use the large muscles in the arms, legs, torso, and feet.

[jubaji]

Tell me, when you see someone say things like "this will make anyone fall down," you don't instinctively keep one hand on your wallet while you reach for a grain of salt with the other? Overly categorical statements belong to the realm of the theoretical. Nothing makes anyone fall down (with the implication of 'all the time') in the real world. Too many variables for that to be the case.

Good point!

[Junka]

Well it's all in writing here. Most of the people who believe your wrong will also be the first to point out that "gross motor skills go out the window in a fight"

Dunno about fights but it's fine motor skills that are thought to suffer in any kind of high stress situation.

We're back to it being situational. For some people going under the oncoming attack and taking down would be easier, for some slipping and counter striking would be easier. Even in that scenario there's a lot of assumptions, the fact that your dealing with someone who's already coming in swinging.

Both take downs and strikes mean nothing without practice and the ability to pull them off. I do still like the foot trap and push idea though. On the other hand I like double leg take downs since it's one of the few techniques I picked up quickly.

There seems to be a tendency on these forums for some people to be emotionally attached to grappling or striking.

[kingoftheforest]

Dunno about fights but it's fine motor skills that are thought to suffer in any kind of high stress situation.

Yep sorry was a typo I was reading something and typing at the same time. Nobody is perfect.

There seems to be a tendency on these forums for some people to be emotionally attached to grappling or striking.

It's not really emotional for me just a personal preference. I look at things more from an SD point of view and not very much from a sport or ring mentality. So for me striking is more effective and makes more sense.

[jubaji]

There seems to be a tendency on these forums for some people to be emotionally attached to grappling or striking.

It's more a matter of folks being (pathologically) attached to a given agenda.

[jubaji]

We're back to it being situational.

Of course. Circumstances determine the best course of action in any situation, regardless of what agenda someone insists upon.