Sriking take down

[jubaji]

You can't don't hurt yourself trying to do it other than in the virtual world bro'.

Take into account the fact also that your balance is being taken away by the strike to the hip and you are being driven backwards by the shoulder of the person striking in.

Also take into account the fact that the person standing on your foot is occupying the space you'd need to come forward to take the step with the other foot, and that his foot is "smashing" into yours, not politely stepping on it then saying excuse me.


Notice also that you don't have the person who has his foot on your foot's "back". You are only "kinda sorta" around the corner, but only if you can pull off an impossibility of physics.

Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time.

It's too bad you lack the grappling experience to understand what I'm saying, but don't discourage others from learning. Keeping everyone else as ignorant as you are doesn't make you more experienced.

[kingoftheforest]

How do you take the opponent's back when your right foot is pinned to the floor? I've tried to work this but I can't turn my right foot pigeon toed enough to pull it off.

You can't don't hurt yourself trying to do it other than in the virtual world bro'.

Take into account the fact also that your balance is being taken away by the strike to the hip and you are being driven backwards by the shoulder of the person striking in.

Also take into account the fact that the person standing on your foot is occupying the space you'd need to come forward to take the step with the other foot, and that his foot is "smashing" into yours, not politely stepping on it then saying excuse me.


Notice also that you don't have the person who has his foot on your foot's "back". You are only "kinda sorta" around the corner, but only if you can pull off an impossibility of physics.

Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time.

[TTEscrima]

I'm not sure who or what the "wolfpack" is unless you're talking about the beasts Mr. Cestari unleashed on the world.

Yeah that Wolfpack.

[Tant01]

Yes, actually...

Have you seen any of Carl Cestari's Old School DVD's? He demonstrates a number of striking takedowns on local wrestling legend Damian Ross. As well known for his wrestling as he is, Damian is still adamant that combatives are the his go to SD equalizer and that wrestling/sports training should be a last resort for SD.

No one can accuse the Wolfpack of pulling punches or using BS set ups, Carl's in house vids are still some of the best stuff out there...IF you can find them.

I'm not sure who or what the "wolfpack" is unless you're talking about the beasts Mr. Cestari unleashed on the world.

My only experience with the man was virtual but I understand he was a leading proponent of WW2 combatives...

I've read some of his stuff. Old school is all I know...

[jubaji]

How do you take the opponent's back when your right foot is pinned to the floor? I've tried to work this but I can't turn my right foot pigeon toed enough to pull it off.

Don't move your right foot at all. Step forward with your left. You won't be exactly behind him but you will be around the corner and in a position to control him, particularly if you take that wrist (I would suggest a cross wrist). As long as you can't move your foot he can't move his, and you only need to get past that near shoulder to get into a control position. The fact that you BOTH have your foot immobile works out well as your step with the left will bring your hips close to his center of gravity as you take control of the advantageous position (provided you have the balance and quickness to do so).

[mellow]

What he needs to do is step FORWARD with his left foot, take the guy's back, control the cross wrist and slam his head into the sub-basement.

How do you take the opponent's back when your right foot is pinned to the floor? I've tried to work this but I can't turn my right foot pigeon toed enough to pull it off.

[TTEscrima]

I'm curious what your next technique will be for STRIKING takedowns...

Have you seen any of Carl Cestari's Old School DVD's? He demonstrates a number of striking takedowns on local wrestling legend Damian Ross. As well known for his wrestling as he is, Damian is still adamant that combatives are the his go to SD equalizer and that wrestling/sports training should be a last resort for SD.

No one can accuse the Wolfpack of pulling punches or using BS set ups, Carl's in house vids are still some of the best stuff out there...IF you can find them.

[jubaji]

I guess my SD mentality is that bull charging face first into my opponents attack zone, while having my arms occupied with attempting to grab or entangle my opponents legs, leaving my back, head and face unprotected never appealed to me. Charging in face first just goes against all the principles of fighting I have been taught throughout my life.

It's too bad you didn't gain some experience in grappling throughout your life.



Never too late.

[jubaji]

I was always taught to not give the opponent a shot at your back.

So, about that vid...

[kingoftheforest]

I guess my SD mentality is that bull charging face first into my opponents attack zone, while having my arms occupied with attempting to grab or entangle my opponents legs, leaving my back, head and face unprotected never appealed to me.

Some people seem to take that personally.


I was always taught to protect your face neck and head and not give the opponent a shot at your back.

Charging in face first just goes against all the principles of fighting I have been taught through out my life.

[Tant01]

Dance around it...

Let's just say BIG billy goat found an alternate route that doesn't get shit all over his hooves everywhere he steps.

If people don't like it they can off

Nuff said.

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So much for footwork? LOL

[Junka]

A grappler is more likely to grapple and a striker to strike, but having a particular area of strength doesn't necessarily make you stupid. The human being with a bit of sense in his head will do whatever he can that he thinks is the best course of action in a given situation.

Hmmmm maybe. I think under stress, sense doesn't come into it much since there isn't really time for reasoned and logical thought.

Why is everyone so defensive today, did I say anyone was stupid? In the scenario I gave [a guy coming in swinging aggressively] either strategy could work as long as you were good at it.

[Tant01]

YES i do...

Would you agree then that you fight like you train? Which would then influence how you are more apt to react a certain way when presented with a split second decision.

Indeed. A football player will try to hurt you one way and a hocky player another way.

In some cases (probably too many) training tends to ISOLATE someone to a particular response. A TKD guy will try to kick you and a BJJ guy will try to take you down...

No offense intended with my last post at you KOTF. Keep it real...

~R.

[kingoftheforest]

Last time I read the story BIG billy goat didn't give a shit what was under the bridge...

But then I've been known to confuse my stories...

Where's the "WHAAAaaaaaaaahhhh" patrol ?

Let's just say BIG billy goat found an alternate route that doesn't get shit all over his hooves everywhere he steps.

If people don't like it they can off

Nuff said.

[Tant01]

Piss off...

LOL As soon as somebody clears out the underneath of the bridge.

Last time I read the story BIG billy goat didn't give a shit what was under the bridge...

But then I've been known to confuse my stories...

Where's the "WHAAAaaaaaaaahhhh" patrol ?