Sriking take down

[jubaji]

Well it's all in writing here. Most of the people who believe your wrong will also be the first to point out that "gross motor skills go out the window in a fight"

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You sure you don't want to try that one again, genius?

[kingoftheforest]

Careful, now you're going to get people riled up. I've actually heard clowns try to debate this.

The simplest movement is the fastest, if you can't manage to make contact with an object, you damn sure can't manage to make contact then grasp and control it.

Anytime you have the time and control to facilitate seizing and controlling you can strike, but just because you can strike does not mean you will have the time or finesse to seize and control.

Well it's all in writing here. Most of the people who believe your wrong will also be the first to point out that "Fine motor skills go out the window in a fight"


So when they talk you gotta reach for the salt and hold on to your wallet tight.....................before those motor skills go and you can't even grab your own ass.

[jubaji]

Careful, now you're going to get people riled up.

Could it be that you have already decided that you want to get riled up (again), miss?

[TTEscrima]

It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

Careful, now you're going to get people riled up. I've actually heard clowns try to debate this.

The simplest movement is the fastest, if you can't manage to make contact with an object, you damn sure can't manage to make contact then grasp and control it.

Anytime you have the time and control to facilitate seizing and controlling you can strike, but just because you can strike does not mean you will have the time or finesse to seize and control.

[jubaji]

It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

That depends on circumstances and what you are trying to hit/grab on whom and what he may be doing at the time.

[kingoftheforest]

The idea of PINNING his foot to the deck seems less like "striking" than grappling? It's functionally a "hold" of sorts? wouldn't you say? While the so called strike is more of a push? IDK...

Words always fail when I try to convey ideas. I know it's rapid and requires an attachment (or two)...

I'm curious what your next technique will be for STRIKING takedowns...



Lay it on us KOTF!

The video is the basic idea behind it. After that it all comes down to the explanation of disrupting the 3 harmonies.

There are numerous variations depending on the situation and the input of the other party/parties.

In KF they call it disrupting the 3 harmonies (those being upper=head middle=waist and lower=legs.).


When you disrupt 2 of the harmonies or sections of the body it causes your opponent to lose his root or balance.


The video shows a disruption of the lower and middle harmonies.

[Tant01]

Show me....

In the original video I saw no grabbing?

Also I had started this thread to discuss options on taking down an opponent without use of the grab.


It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

The idea of PINNING his foot to the deck seems less like "striking" than grappling? It's functionally a "hold" of sorts? wouldn't you say? While the so called strike is more of a push? IDK...

Words always fail when I try to convey ideas. I know it's rapid and requires an attachment (or two)...

I'm curious what your next technique will be for STRIKING takedowns...



Lay it on us KOTF!

[Tant01]

HIA vs. FIA

Sure, of course. But there's a world of difference between the timing and accuracy needed to grab a large and relatively slow moving target (i.e. - the leg, for a wrestling or judo takedown) vs. a small and fast moving target (i.e. - the foot, in this case). Don't you agree?

Ever been exposed to trapping? Hand immobilization is (in my experience) more difficult than foot immobilization for the reason that it (foot trapping) is less orthadox and more unexpected.

[kingoftheforest]

Sure, of course. But there's a world of difference between the timing and accuracy needed to grab a large and relatively slow moving target (i.e. - the leg, for a wrestling or judo takedown) vs. a small and fast moving target (i.e. - the foot, in this case). Don't you agree?

In the original video I saw no grabbing?

Also I had started this thread to discuss options on taking down an opponent without use of the grab.


It takes far less motor skill or time to hit someone than it does to grab them.

[USArmyBJJ]

Timing and accuracy are IMPORTANT factors with ANY technique...

If you get it right it looks perfectly effortless. I like it.

Sure, of course. But there's a world of difference between the timing and accuracy needed to grab a large and relatively slow moving target (i.e. - the leg, for a wrestling or judo takedown) vs. a small and fast moving target (i.e. - the foot, in this case). Don't you agree?

[Tant01]

Not a great leap to make. The sort of thing that can be found out by accident.

It sorta sucks to learn that stuff the hard way...

We play "it don't bend THAT way" for fun. Right now my little girl likes to use her whole body against a single joint and she's eager (at ten years and 102 lbs) to try a hip throw on Daddy...

[jubaji]

That "wrist control" could easily become a CRITICAL factor.

IMO...

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Absolutely.

[jubaji]

The foot trap with a knee push is the GENTLE way to topple. I can play it with my kids... What I DO NOT teach them is how to DESTROY the joint...

That may come in time if they ever put it all together for themselves....

Not a great leap to make. The sort of thing that can be found out by accident.

[Tant01]

Good to read Ju...

They don't have to move their foot. They want to have their body right on his. If you had some experience grappling this would be clear to you. You can see in the vid that he turns his shoulder to the other man and leaves a hand right where you would want it to take wrist control.

If this low-percentage move doesn't work out exactly as you hope you have turned your shoulder into the opponent, left a hand where it is liable to be controlled, and of course while standing on his foot yours is immobile as well which works out great for the other guy if he wants to get his body on yours and control you.

Could it work? Absolutely. Worth betting your ass on? Only if you are dealing with someone you are far superior to anyway. IMO.

Very good post...

Consider also the potential event with a blade or a brick? (stick?)

You don't need to be cut or pummeled to realize closing with a knife or bludgeon is dangerous business...

That "wrist control" could easily become a CRITICAL factor.

IMO...

[Tant01]

With weapons...

Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoftheforest
I love the knee push hand technique, if you can manage to get that low you're out of the opponents field of view for just a second.

Sounds like you'd love a good low outside single!

I almost went on a single leg tangent with my last post but stopped short of basic and EFFECTIVE single leg takedowns, ankle picks or more destructive atemi waza... (Kensetsu jeri?)

The foot trap with a knee push is the GENTLE way to topple. I can play it with my kids... What I DO NOT teach them is how to DESTROY the joint...

That may come in time if they ever put it all together for themselves.

empty hands can do some serious damage... all the better with some steel in your fist...