Traditional Kung FU

[csc]

I've not seen any mounted work. Does SJ contain that?

SC does not have ground work but it does have "follow up strikes - step on the head, knee drop on the chest, ..." and "follow up locks - bowing throw turns into an arm bar, head lock leg blocking throw turns into an elbow lock, ...". You may drop one knee on the ground, but you still keep yourself in a "spring posture". You try as hard as you can not to go down. Sometime after you have taken your opponent down, you are already 10 feet away from him. If you train in a big room, your instructor may want you to take your opponent down and keep running until your hands touch the other side of the wall (usually about 20 feet away).

Hit and run with mobility is the main training in SC. The issue is the moment that you train your ground skill, you will no longer train your "hit and run" and "run your opponent down" skill. It's a trade off and there is no right and wrong here.

I have always believed that "pulling guard" is a true "throwing art killer" but that's beyound this discussion.

[TTEscrima]

You can throw someone down without hurting him. You cannot knock someone down without hurting him.


You can have a winner come out of this in the throwing environemnt, but you can't have a winner come out of this in the striking environment. That will take most of the fun out of it.

I've read some of your posts and you seem to be ignoring the fact that SJ is based upon striking. I often encounter people who seem to be unaware of this although they claim SJ lineage which strikes me odd. You speak of throwing people instead of striking them, this is in DIRECT violation of every tenet of SJ. SJ has two elements which form the basis of the entire art: The Diagonal strike and opposite hand, opposite foot jin. Without those 2 elements you are grappling in order to achieve the unrooting of the opponent, this is not SJ.

[csc]

SJ is based upon striking...

How did you come up such conclusion?

[TTEscrima]

How did you come up such conclusion?

ROFLMMFAO. Priceless. Exactly how long have you been a student of SJ?

[csc]

Exactly how long have you been a student of SJ?

Not very long at all.

[TTEscrima]

Not very long at all.

Perhaps you should inquire about the relationship between the diagonal strike and opposite hand opposite foot jin timing in setting up your throws. The Diagonal strike should be the first technique taught as all other SC techniques are built upon it. It's the first movement in the traditional form. Depending on the branch of SC you're studying you should be learning to unroot the opponent as soon as you make contact, this is accomplished through the Diagonal strike or a upward kick to the leg, this sets the throws up. GM Chang was well recognized for his ability to set an opponent up and defeat him through a well planned combination of movements that led the opponent into the throw.

[csc]

By using striking to set up throwing, that make a lot of sense.

[jubaji]

having a ground game or cross training in one today isn't a bad idea, but really is something you want to try to avoid at all costs.

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[csc]

having a ground game or cross training in one today isn't a bad idea, but really is something you want to try to avoid at all costs.

+1

You may not want to apply your "pulling guard" before realizing what kind of game that you are going to play on the ground. For just $9.99, your opponent can give you lots of trouble.

Triple Spike Ring (Size 9)

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- If the "pulling guard" is the "throwing arts killer" (if you throw yourself down, even the best SC/Judo masters on this planet cannot throw you), then

- the "spikes ring" and "vampfangs" are the "ground game killer" (you attack my joints but I'll attack your skin, the skin area is larger than the joint area). It will rewrite how the ground game should be played and that's for sure.

[TTEscrima]

- If the "pulling guard" is the "throwing arts killer" (if you throw yourself down, even the best SC/Judo masters on this planet cannot throw you), then

- the "spikes ring" and "vampfangs" are the "ground game killer" (you attack my joints but I'll attack your skin, the skin area is larger than the joint area). It will rewrite how the ground game should be played and that's for sure.

I can see it now, soon we will be able to spot the new generation of baddasses by their no fear shorts, Ed Farty asslicktion hats, tap out T shirts, big gaudy skull rings and vampire fangs to round out the stupid dye job and hair cuts.

The Grey man is dead.

[kingoftheforest]

+1

You may not want to apply your "pulling guard" before realizing what kind of game that you are going to play on the ground. For just $9.99, your opponent can give you lots of trouble.

Triple Spike Ring (Size 9)

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- If the "pulling guard" is the "throwing arts killer" (if you throw yourself down, even the best SC/Judo masters on this planet cannot throw you), then

- the "spikes ring" and "vampfangs" are the "ground game killer" (you attack my joints but I'll attack your skin, the skin area is larger than the joint area). It will rewrite how the ground game should be played and that's for sure.

It may cost you a little more but you should save up and buy a clue.

[jubaji]

- the "spikes ring" and "vampfangs" are the "ground game killer" (you attack my joints but I'll attack your skin, the skin area is larger than the joint area). It will rewrite how the ground game should be played and that's for sure.

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[Ben Grimm]

I can see it now, soon we will be able to spot the new generation of baddasses by their no fear shorts, Ed Farty asslicktion hats, tap out T shirts, big gaudy skull rings and vampire fangs to round out the stupid dye job and hair cuts.

The Grey man is dead.

I can just see it now.
Makes me wanna puke.

[sifuabel]

Whats sad is that the BS is peppered with little bits of truth here and there.

[kingoftheforest]

Some people just have too much time on their hands.

You have to wonder who the bigger fool is, the one spouting the nonsense on 20 diffrent MA boards, or the one following him around pointing it out.