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[mellow]

2 arms, 2 legs, rhythmic pattern. Looks like alot of fun.

[kingoftheforest]

It's my fault. I saw the 1-2-3 pattern on the dummy and my brain said "hubud" some reason.

It has some similarities I'm sure.


2 arms 2 legs

[mellow]

Nothing wrong with my ego, just plenty wrong with your hearing.

Nobody tried to pass the vid in question off as WC or knife defense or hubud.

And if you are part of Eargrinds crew I doubt you came in here with honorable intentions, or the idea that you were doing anything but ridiculing someone.

Your group is well known around the internet for that type of thing.

Humble your not that's for sure. You made your self look like a fool 2 times in one thread. Bow out and save face since your other attempts have only landed you on your face.

It's my fault. I saw the 1-2-3 pattern on the dummy and my brain said "hubud" some reason.

[Da Pope]

Just being curious, Unkatore...

[jubaji]

Keep digging, Wingnut...

[Da Pope]

Do you have any footage of sparring your school does?

It would be good for me to see the finished article, if you get what I mean?

Please dont take this the wrong way.

[kingoftheforest]

We practice defending against such punches a lot because they are a common tool used by the untrained.

There are numerous ways to defend yourself with not one really being superior because it's the result that matters i.e. you surviving and your attacker losing.

I like to close the distance rendering his strikes ineffectual as he needs the space to lanuch and connect with them. Remember there are 3 things needed for effective strikes: Grounding, Distance and Torque If you take away one of those things from your opponent, his strikes will become ineffectual.

By closing the gap....and when you do this it's obviously a good idea to have a covering guard, lead with one hand and jam his strikes at his shoulder level and move in with palm/elbow strikes or use a grappling move if that's your speciality. Doing this takes away your opponents distance needed for his strikes. Try hitting someone when they have you wrapped up tight....yes you can hit him but can you hurt him?

Alternatively, you can keep your distance, get off his line of attack, weave under the strikes into a takedown or run away among others.

Mr A. with regards to the side step front kick, I would be reluctant to kick at all in a street fight as I need my grounding in order to effectively strike my opponent and maintain balance. I realise a front kick is pretty simple in the greater scheme of things but I would prefer to not risk it as opposed to keeping both feet on the ground and using hands/elbows instead.

We use a similar technique also. I showed a simple form called the dive in the vid in the Master Wong thread if I'm not mistaken.

You move into the opponent covering yourself and take away his "root" or as you called it grounding.

This also removes the room your opponent needs to attack thus smothering him.

If your not apt to kick you can come down on the opponents foot, pinning it to the ground, as you continue to press forward, stealing his root even more, and possibly toppling him over backwards.

I don't really like the moving away option because it gives your opponent a chance to get another shot in. In what we do at least, you always want to exhibit forward pressure or move around your opponent, but always in close.

Otherwise I agree with most of what WW suggest.

[Movement]

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[Tant01]

Ty.

Very observant. I don't think I could have explained it better.

Good eye, well read.

Please... I have no idea what I'm talking about? you guys might make folks start thinking I have a clue?

We don't want that!

LOL

[WildWest.]

You know what I would like to see Videos of, King? Typical self defense situations...maybe filmed outside, and perhaps using someone you can bash around a bit (perhaps best not to use your wife for that?) If you could film a scenario, it would be appreciated by the literal minded types (like me) who enjoy seeing the entire application from start to finish. I know there are a few on the internet, but it would be cool to see them from someone we know!

One self defense application I don't see much about, is the technique used when one of these "gang monkey"s fight...(like you see on so many school fight videos)...you know, the untrained attacked launching numerous haymakers at his target, in rapid succession.

My instructor taught me that the best defense is a front step-kick to the lower mid-section. In his words, you will probably still get "scathed" by a few errant shots, but you can neutralize the attack by just driving straight through. That's one way, but I would be interested in seeing your approach.

I cite this example because time and time again, watching brawls on film you see these types of attacks. The guy attacks, haymakers one after another and just devastates the other person due to sheer volume of blows.

Most martial arts techniques I traditionally learned were based on one punch or kick or hold or grab coming at you, not a flurry of haymakers coming from both arms of your attacker, and coming FAST like they do in a real fight.

We practice defending against such punches a lot because they are a common tool used by the untrained.

There are numerous ways to defend yourself with not one really being superior because it's the result that matters i.e. you surviving and your attacker losing.

I like to close the distance rendering his strikes ineffectual as he needs the space to lanuch and connect with them. Remember there are 3 things needed for effective strikes: Grounding, Distance and Torque If you take away one of those things from your opponent, his strikes will become ineffectual.

By closing the gap....and when you do this it's obviously a good idea to have a covering guard, lead with one hand and jam his strikes at his shoulder level and move in with palm/elbow strikes or use a grappling move if that's your speciality. Doing this takes away your opponents distance needed for his strikes. Try hitting someone when they have you wrapped up tight....yes you can hit him but can you hurt him?

Alternatively, you can keep your distance, get off his line of attack, weave under the strikes into a takedown or run away among others.

Mr A. with regards to the side step front kick, I would be reluctant to kick at all in a street fight as I need my grounding in order to effectively strike my opponent and maintain balance. I realise a front kick is pretty simple in the greater scheme of things but I would prefer to not risk it as opposed to keeping both feet on the ground and using hands/elbows instead.

Without video it's hard to explain but the more your practice having someone fling haymakers at you, the more comfortable you become. Get a training partner to put on a pair of 18oz gloves and go nuts.....it's good fun!

[TTEscrima]

Don't confuse his style with someone who will stand in front of his attacker! If I'm not mistaking the whole idea of his "soft" attachment and the leg checking (jamming) is to limit his attacker's mobility while maintaining his own, smother his (attacker's) attack while delivering his own...

In theory it is all very simple. Ideally you will end up behind your attacker with a nice strangle, joint or bone destruction or stomping.

Good stuff! ...reminds me of silat!

Good eye, well read.

[kingoftheforest]

Don't confuse his style with someone who will stand in front of his attacker! If I'm not mistaking the whole idea of his "soft" attachment and the leg checking (jamming) is to limit his attacker's mobility while maintaining his own, smother his (attacker's) attack while delivering his own...

In theory it is all very simple. Ideally you will end up behind your attacker with a nice strangle, joint or bone destruction or stomping.

Good stuff! ...reminds me of silat!

Very observant. I don't think I could have explained it better.

[Tant01]

Look forward to it!

Oh it'll make it into the thread. A lot of his questions I planned on going over in future vids.


Patience buddy.

cool...........

Thanks kindly.

[Tant01]

Go around...

But see, the stepping off line is what worries me. If the haymakers are coming from both directions, (left and right side of you)...that's what I can't wrap my mind around. Well, whatever you can show would be a learning experience for me...consider it free lessons for me over the internet!

But, you understand the type of attack I am talking about, right? It's just some punk flailing away with great fury. These types of attacks are not usually discussed in most martial arts classes. I think I can see how a grappler or wrestler would approach this, and I definitely think a boxer would also just drive straight through, expecting to take a few shots on the way in, but someone doing chinese style martial arts...how do they approach these types of rapid-fire haymaker attacks?

Don't confuse his style with someone who will stand in front of his attacker! If I'm not mistaking the whole idea of his "soft" attachment and the leg checking (jamming) is to limit his attacker's mobility while maintaining his own, smother his (attacker's) attack while delivering his own...

In theory it is all very simple. Ideally you will end up behind your attacker with a nice strangle, joint or bone destruction or stomping.

Good stuff! ...reminds me of silat!

[kingoftheforest]

But see, the stepping off line is what worries me. If the haymakers are coming from both directions, (left and right side of you)...

He can't punch you from both sides at the same time in the manner you're speaking of (if I understand you correctly.) So you step to the side he's not hitting from. It'll be easier to show.

Post a vid if you can that would be an example of this attack.

I definitely think a boxer would also just drive straight through, expecting to take a few shots on the way in,

Actually I've seen some boxers use a side step and throw a cross from the outside.

but someone doing chinese style martial arts...how do they approach these types of rapid-fire haymaker attacks?

I doubt what I do could be considered a CMA if it is it's very bastardized because it includes FMA's and JMA's as well any a few others.