Abir Warrior Arts

[mellow]

.There are no tribal systems, let alone any traces of the tribes.

They are mention in the Hebrew Bible, but I guess you believe that's all a fabrication too. I suppose all the Jews just sprung up out of thin air.

Ashida kim sells those. Very ancient. I can sell you mine for $50 if you want. I just have to finish receiving the sacred ancient message from the super ancient prophets that live in the mountains of Chicago.

you can download that crap for free.

. We don't know if it works for him, I don't see him pressure testing it.
2. The guy is a shameless larper raping a culture to make a buck. Only for the second time in history, it happens to not be Chinese culture. Same shit, different country.
3. The guy is the epitomy of all things wrong with the modern MA scene. Too much jedi crap, not enough realistic MA training, and honest people. That's why I almost completely gave up on TMA.

Once again, who cares? Unless he's cutting into your profit margin, I say live and let live.

[mellow]

Let the buyer beware, then?

You damn skippy!!!

[kingoftheforest]

Nahh thats not why I care (I mean if you buy into that you dont deserve money) its more because people here are saying that that sword demo has some practical merit as a training excercise.

I just dont get it!

Would you try and punch him in the face while he was doing that with the sword in his hand?

Not being sarcastic just seriously curious.


Also could you do movement that fast with a live blade and not cut yourself.

[TTEscrima]

We should care, because he's also trying to market and sell this crap to other people.

Well since thats your big gripe, I can't wait to see you run off and start threads on every forum you can find about these clowns.

https://www.graciecombat.com/flare/next

If you really care about the people, this BS has far more TV commercials and magazine coverage... maybe you better run off to lead that battle because I don't see Abir sweeping the nation,. Come to think of it, I also don't see him advocating leaving your family in the car to have a macho streetfight while claiming to teach combatives and SD....somehow I'm sure you'll be right back here though.

[TTEscrima]

Would you try and punch him in the face while he was doing that with the sword in his hand?

Not being sarcastic just seriously curious.


Also could you do movement that fast with a live blade and not cut yourself.

ROFLMAO, first they don't train with weapons of any sort in their preferred system of larping, nor would they try to punch him....they'd go for the suplex.

[LuohanFist]

They are mention in the Hebrew Bible, but I guess you believe that's all a fabrication too. I suppose all the Jews just sprung up out of thin air.

I was raised as an Orthodox Jew.
Please point out where tribal martial arts are pointed out in the Torah?

[mellow]

I was raised as an Orthodox Jew.
Please point out where tribal martial arts are pointed out in the Torah?

The twelve tribes aren't mentioned in the Torah?

[LuohanFist]

The twelve tribes aren't mentioned in the Torah?

Tribes are.
Tribal martial arts aren't. Not mentioned anywhere, in fact.

I believe the whole point here was tribal martial arts mentioned in the Torah as a source of the particular long lost martial art featured in the video?

[kingoftheforest]

You know the history of the Jews. Do you think they have no MA's?

[TTEscrima]

Tribes are.
Tribal martial arts aren't.
I believe the whole point here was tribal martial arts mentioned in the Torah as a source of that particular martial art?

I see you're very concerned about his lineage, and the fact he may be involved in profiting from martial arts nonsense, I applaud that!!

However it really raises an interesting point, it appears that much like Tokyo Kid we're going to be losing you to your battle for truth in martial arts advertising.

It was pointed out to me that YOU have your own webpage and its chock full of videos and herbs from Dale Dugas, student of DR, Capt, Ranger Biff Painter (one of the MOST laughable lineages out there).

YouTube - Using intent in Jiulong Baguazhang

Maybe your little war on profiting from Martial BS ought to start at home.

[LuohanFist]

I see you're very concerned about his lineage, and the fact he may be involved in profiting from martial arts nonsense, I applaud that!!

However it really raises an interesting point, it appears that much like Tokyo Kid we're going to be losing you to your battle for truth in martial arts advertising.

It was pointed out to me that YOU have your own webpage and its chock full of videos and herbs from Dale Dugas, student of DR, Capt, Ranger Biff Painter (one of the MOST laughable lineages out there).

YouTube - Using intent in Jiulong Baguazhang

Maybe your little war on profiting from Martial BS ought to start at home.

Hey TTE.

I'm not a student of Dr. Painter, or Dale.
I tried Dale's herbs and they worked for me. His iron palm program works for me. Hence, I recommend it. I respect Dale as a person and a martial artist, but have no idea about their lineage, nor do I claim to.

For myself, I never made claims of any kind of lineage or mysterious long lost training. I'd say my issue has more to do with blatant bullshit on the part of the man in the video, which I can easily disprove based on personal knowlege, so I feel your point is somewhat moot.


Now this guy is making claims about something I am blatantly familiar with on a personal level. As such, I feel like I can comment on it's invalidity with certainty. Is this logic flawed?

[LuohanFist]

You know the history of the Jews. Do you think they have no MA's?

They probably did.
The only thing that IS mentioned in the Hummash (5 books of historical record,) are wars fought, who fought, and who won. The most it ever said was someone used a sword to strike someone, someone threw a spear, someone used a bow and arrow.

No techniques, no details, no hidden techniques.

Nothing more detailed then that. I hope this clarifies things.

[TTEscrima]

Hey TTE.

I'm not a student of Dr. Painter, or Dale.
I tried Dale's herbs and they worked for me. His iron palm program works for me. Hence, I recommend it. I respect Dale as a person and a martial artist, but have no idea about their lineage.

I never made claims of any kind of lineage or mysterious long lost training, so I feel your point is somewhat moot.

Now this guy is making claims about something I am blatantly familiar with. As such, I feel like I can comment on it's invalidity with certainty. Is this logic flawed?

So you sell DR, Ranger, Captain Biff's materials and you don't care where they came from, or that he isn't a doctor, a ranger or a Captain...and you're fine with the fact they teach people to move people without touching them as martial arts... because you're making money. ..even though its from something you admit you don't know anything about.

What makes you so sure that no one has ever tried and benefited from Abir?

That's all the validation you seemed to need to begin selling Painter and his products. If you had no experience how do you know his is the stuff you ought to taking and selling? How do you know he didn't steal the info and repackage it like you claim was done with Abir? If Abir lets you sell his tapes will you endorse him too?

I await you making fun of Painter in his fake military uniform, and his Cowboy get up.

[mellow]

They probably did.
The only thing that IS mentioned in the Hummash (5 books of historical record,) are wars fought, who fought, and who won. The most it ever said was someone used a sword to strike someone, someone threw a spear, someone used a bow and arrow.

No techniques, no details, no hidden techniques.

Nothing more detailed then that. I hope this clarifies things.

Well, is it too far fetched to say that perhaps said people actually trained with said weapons before marching off to battle? Considering the success of their campaigns I would have to say they were pretty well trained in something.

[LuohanFist]

So you sell DR, Ranger, Captain Biff's materials

I don't sell anything. I make no money on this in any way shape or form. Please feel free to contact Dale if you wish to verify this fact. I am only recommending products that work.

Recommended Products

It is in my recommended products section.

and you don't care where they came from, or that he isn't a doctor, a ranger or a Captain...and you're fine with the fact they teach people to move people without touching them as martial arts...

I don't have any of Dr. Painter's products on that page. Please see above link.

because you're making money. ..

I'm not.

even though its from something you admit you don't know anything about.

This, unlike Jewish scripture, is indeed out of my field of knowlege. I don't know this, but I do know Jewish history from the perspective of the scriptures.

Are you implying that I should keep my mouth shut on this issue? Or that I am wrong?

What makes you so sure that no one has ever tried and benefited from Abir?

I'm not sure.

1. From what he says about his history, I know it has been fabricated.

2. There are no "ancient" Israeli martial arts. All such arts are modern, have been fabricated in recent years.

3. His art seems to be a combination of various MA elements which in itself is not bad or wrong. However, I have no knowlege of his training, or whether or not he has pressure tested what he preaches.

4. Based on the iformation presented so far, I have reason to doubt this person.

Again, is there flaw in this logic?
And do you have info I need to be aware of?

That's all the validation you seemed to need to begin selling Painter and his products.

1. I don't sell anything.
2. I don't have any Dr. Painter products on my page.

If you had no experience how do you know his is the stuff you ought to taking and selling?

See above.

I only recommend Dale's stuff. His ointment helped reduce swelling from training injuries. One of my classmates rolled his foot during BJJ training, which led to swelling. He used Dale's ointment, and it helped with both the pain and the swelling. If you wish, I can ask this gentleman to post about it.

If you wish to contact him and ask, feel free to PM me, and I will be glad to arrange it.

How do you know he didn't steal the info and repackage it like you claim was done with Abir? If Abir lets you sell his tapes will you endorse him too?

I don't sell anything.