??? re Greg Alland tapes...

[tigrtclaw]

David Tanner alias Dustin Etan

Because of my involvement with NHB I know of the guy. There are two Tanners who Kickbox, Evan Tanner and David Tanner. This one Calls himself Dustin Etan. I saw a tape with some no rules underground fights he was in. He is a devestating striker and very Explosive knocking everyone out. I didn't know David Tanner was involved with escrima and Of All people Greg Alland. I think his tapes are amateur at best and not worth paying for. -I didn't know Alland did any cable television shows until I saw the webpage with Tanner.
How much did Greg influnce Tanner's striking abilities I wonder?

[TopDog]

Tigerclaw, I have seen one tape on Greg Alland. Although a funny looking guy in the class of a "Charlie Callis" I thought he sounded convincing.I never heard of "Dustin Etan" but, I have heard the name David Tanner mentioned before amongst full contact fighters. I heard that he was a talented kickboxer who also trained with Joe Lewis. One the website mentioned previously... it is stated that Greg Alland did do full contact stick sparring and that he was very formidable. Can anyone else back up this claim? I have heard that he ducked for cover whenever anyone challenged him to put on the gear.

After seeing what David Tanner wrote I wonder if he may indeed be an accomplished stickman after all. Maybe we should reconsider all the controversy and talk about Greg Alland being such a phoney.

[kaliace]

Hello,

Greg Alland is a very good Stick fighter. Should you reconsider his position, No. But it is true he does have the skill, even with the knife, but his reputation is true.

Michael G Olive

[tigrtclaw]

Joe Lewis

TopDog "I have heard that he ducked for cover whenever anyone challenged him to put on the gear
...all the controversy and talk about Greg Alland being such a phoney."

Michael G Olive wrote: "his reputation is true." "Should you reconsider his position, No."What is the exact meaning of these statements?

Michael G Olive, Have you trained under Greg Alland? Tell us more details if you can about Greg.

Does Joe Lewis do any filipino arts? I was just wondering if anyone knew. You would think being around Jeet Kune Do and Brucel Lee all those years.

[TopDog]

I don't believe so

TigerTClaw,

I remember seeing Joe Lewis using two tree branches in a movie fight sequence once, "Force Five"? He didn't look like he was too knowledgeable with Arnis back then. I believe the movie was from around 1980.

[VT3]

So Whats the real deal?

Who is THIS David Tanner guy? I just visited to his website and am confused. If he is a proponent of full contact martial arts and stickfighting and is a champion kickboxer, Why is he defending Greg Alland? Because EVERYONE knows that Greg Alland isn't a true rep of Pekiti Tirsia and is just a vender of cheesy videos -Here is a Text copied from another forum about this which cannot be denied.
=========================================================
FROM TUOHN WILLIAM MCGRATH
PRESIDENT PEKITI-TIRSIA INTERNATIONAL

RE: GRAND TUHON LEO TORTAL GAJE'S AUGUST 1996 VIDEO ON P.GREG ALLAND

SEPTEMBER 30TH 1996

Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje, Grand Master of the Pekiti-Tirsia System has
made a video concerning the status of one P.Greg Alland of
"Sina-Tirsia-Wali" Kali-Silat.

Mr. Alland claims to be certified under Tuhon Gaje as a Master of the
Pekiti-Tirsia System. Grand Master Gaje wishes it to be known that this
is NOT the case. Mr. Alland was the school manager and a part time
student back in the late 1970's up until 1981 when he left the system.
In 1986 Grand Master Gaje formally expelled him from the system for his
acts of unethical behavior. ( It was found that at 3 of Grand Master
Gaje's seminars from 1985 that Mr. Alland had videoed; saying that he
intended to use them only for home practice as he was "not in shape" to
participate, Mr. Alland was selling in his advertisement "Fear No Man On
Earth" without Grand Master Gaje's knowledge or permission or that of
the participants).

Mr. Alland was Never certified as an instructor in Pekiti-Tirsia by
Grand Master Gaje much less a Master. I should also add that Mr. Alland
holds absolutely NO certification under Pekiti-Tirsia International, the
orginization of which Grand Master Gaje is the Chairman (please see my
"Letter to the Editor" in this months "Inside Kung-Fu").

Please be warned that P. Greg Alland has announced seminars to be held
by Grand Master Gaje of which Grand Master Gaje had no prior knowledge
and gave no permission to make such claims.

If you wish to have a copy of Grand Master Gaje's video taped statement
of the above facts just send $10.00 to cover copying and postage to:

PTI
P.O. BOX 662
FISHKILL, NY 12524

THE FIRST PERSON TO REQUEST A COPY FROM EACH COUNTRY IN WESTERN EUROPE
WILL
RECEIVE THIS TAPE FREE OF CHARGE.

Tuhon William R. McGrath
President Pekiti-Tirsia International
PEKITI-TIRSIA@MSN.COM
--
This message was posted with the knowledge and consent of Tuhon Bill
McGrath. For more information about Tuhon McGrath, Grand Tuhon Leo
Tortal Gaje, or Pekiti Tirsia International, visit the Pekiti Tirsia
International webpage at: http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/PTI/

[MAMike]

unethical behaviors

In 1986 Grand Master Gaje formally expelled him from the system for his
acts of unethical behavior.

That's very funny. Nobody talked about Leo Gaje's unethical behavior's. Arrested after he get out of the airplane when he came back home. Searched from police on the philippines. Made bent business with half Asia...... this are just a few of them all......

As i said at my last posting: You are all very hard guys....

Greetz, Mike

[orlant]

aboute greg

found this post in the europen pekiti tirsia site

Dear Greg,

Greetings,

Thanks for your e-mail.I wish you also good health
and many more years of your dedications will be
rewarded in due time.

You have all the reason to communicate directly to me
because between you and me we had the beginning and
that beginning was not enjoyed by anybody. Whatever,
the result of many years of absence, the foundation of
our relaltionship was more than anything else.
Actually, many got jealous of you because they wanted
to get close to me as you were close to me. Billy had
this notion that he can be close to me to grab the
opportunity. but that is not the end of the philosphy
and the culture which is ours. Actually greg,we have
no differences, it is just because of some greed that
comes between us that made someone took the
opportunity. No matter what you do the elements of the
things you do comes back to me and that is the thing
you cannot forget neither i will disown that. As a
matter of fact the pekiti-tirsia Germany/ Europe is
the fruit of your labor and the blade fighters, Guild
of Tom Sotis. So, remember that when things are to be
reckoned with, what ever happens we can still continue
our relationship like the old, old days. We are
already matured and responsible enough to realize that
forgiveness is the price of happiness and of course
your skill to propogate the art as an FMA must be
recognized. This Novemebr is the biggest event in the
Philippines. Now the government recognize the
importance that the art will help the economy of the
country and because of this we spearhead the movement
by having the WORLd KALI GRANDCHAMPIONHIP, SPONSORED
BY THE PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT, DEPT. OF TOURISM , ARMED
FORCES OF THE PHILIPPINES AND THE PHILIPPINE SPORTS
COMMISSION. I want you to be present because the
President of the Philippines and the many dignitaries
will attend the event. Tom Sotis will be the Chairman
of the Knifefighting division. Awards will be given
and promotions will be given personally by the
President of the Philippines. Her Excellency Gloria M.
Arroyo and the SEc. of Tourism Richard Gordon. You
come because I will present to you your official
authority of the SINATIRSIAWALI and your special
award for the 30 years of hard achievement in the
promotion of the FMA. I have the power to elevate your
credibility so that the world will recognized you as
the true master of the art.You know Greg it is about
time that you can lead the changes in the UNited
States in so far as the true practices of the art.
because of your ability to encourage people and your
skill to win friends and influence people. Sooner we
will be in the world sports, and I want you to be with
me wherever and whenever we make the world go round.If
i can bring others to go with me into the highest
pedestal of achievements, why can't I bring you when
had made sacrifices with me in new York and many
places. I only want people who can stand before
anyone and fight.One thing you will not find Billy
under my blessings.

So, let me know your plans and your plkan to bring
people and I will accomodate you. But i want you to
directly deal with me and nobody else.

My best reagards and God Bless.

GRandtuhon Gaje

[VT3]

Yeah, That's on Greg Allands and David Tanners website also. So What's the real deal then? Are we not to believe Guro William McGrath, the Director of Pekiti-Tirsia International? Also Guro Dan Inosanto sides with Guro William McGrath

[MAMike]

I don't know why "the real deal" is so much important for everybody's training!?!?! Does it make your training better? Does it make your more powerful? Does it make you faster? I dont believe that.

For me it's not important if Greg Alland is right, if William McGrath is right or Leo Gaje. They all are great teachers and if somebody wanna train with them, they should.

It's funny how much time the Cyber Warriors spend on forums and not at training.

[Mr. Gordo]

It's funny how much time the Cyber Warriors spend on forums and not at training.

You tell 'em MAMike! Hey wait, shouldn't you be training?

[MAMike]

I had two 1,5h sessions today. I think it's enough

[kaliace]

For me it's not important if Greg Alland is right, if William McGrath is right or Leo Gaje. They all are great teachers and if somebody wanna train with them, they should.

MAmike,

That is interesting considering you have a website about Grand Master Tortal and Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. You call it the ultimate resource on Kali Silat, but that has nothing to do with Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. Most of everything that is listed on the website has to do with Greg Alland, not Grand Master Jerson Tortal.

Grand Master Jerson Tortal is no longer associated with Greg Alland’s “society”; you might want to look into that, as I am sure you want to be a truthful person.

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

@Michael,

In some aspects you maybe right (website should be updated). But tell me, who was the person who helped the Tortal family? Who invites Grandmaster Tortal to the states? Who teaches the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system since many many years?

If there're any problems with Greg Alland, go to him and talk with him. Don't do this public, because it's your problem and not our problem. When i have some problems with my friends or my boss i don't talk to the public, too.

N8, Mike

[kaliace]

@Michael,

In some aspects you maybe right (website should be updated). But tell me, who was the person who helped the Tortal family? Who invites Grandmaster Tortal to the states? Who teaches the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system since many many years?

If there're any problems with Greg Alland, go to him and talk with him. Don't do this public, because it's your problem and not our problem. When i have some problems with my friends or my boss i don't talk to the public, too.

N8, Mike

Thank you,

Sounds like Greg’s words. Yes you know half of the story, please be aware that there is a truth.

Greg does not teach Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. He teaches a blend of Pekiti Tirsia, Doce Pares and others. There is nothing wrong with learning with him, just be aware that nothing he teaches, save for maybe the first twelve, is Grand Master Tortal’s system even that is barely a scratch.

I am addressing it privately through litigation with him, but you have it listed in plain view on your forum name of the website address. I wanted to let you know that what you had on there is not the truth, anymore. I like your website, don’t get me wrong, the more that helps bring out the true art of Grand Master Tortal I am all for.

I apologize if I offended you, I hope to meet you some day and talk over a nice adult beverage.

Michael G Olive