??? re Greg Alland tapes...

[MAMike]

@Michael:

At once: for me, the truth (what ever that is) doesn't make my training better. Okay, i stop my posting at this thread. For me, it make no sense.

Take it or leave it, Mike

[kaliace]

@Michael:

At once: for me, the truth (what ever that is) doesn't make my training better. Okay, i stop my posting at this thread. For me, it make no sense.

Take it or leave it, Mike

MAmike,

I am sorry to hear that. The fact still remains that much of what you have on your website is false and misleading. I wish you fair winds and following seas on your journey.

Michael G Olive

[TopDog]

Found this on the web concerning Tortals organization Greg Alland is listed as Director.

PHIL. ARNIS (KALI) MARTIAL ARTS
FEDERATION INTL. INC.
ORGANIZATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL STAFF
DEKITI SIRADAS SYSTEM
ALDABON-KNIFE SUB-SYSTEM
HEADMASTER INSTRUCTOR: GRAND MASTER JERSON "NENE" TORTAL
ASSISTANT MASTER INSTRUCTOR:
MASTER JERSON E. TORTAL JR.
MASTER IN MEDIUM AND LONG RANGE FIGHTING STRATEGY
MASTER IN STICK FIGHTING AND KNIFE EXPERT
MASTER IN CHAKU, AND FULL BLOWN KARATE
SUPPORT GRAND MASTER INSTRUCTORS:
GRAND MASTER SAMUEL P. TORTAL (FAMILY HISTORIAN)
GRAND MASTER SEGUNDITO P. TORTAL
GRAND MASTER MELECIO P. TORTAL
GRAND MASTER JUANITO C. TORTAL
ASSOCIATE MASTER INSTRUCTOR:
MASTER DEMY T. TEJARES (MAJ. PA)
R.O.T.C. TACTICAL NCO'S & CADET OFFICERS & (TUP) ASSOCIATE GROUP
ASSOCIATE INSTRUCTORS:
MASTER ELEAZOR R. TORTAL (CLOSE QUARTER TECHNIQUE)
CONRADO C. TORTAL
HISTORIAN/ORIENTATION SPECIALIST:
GRAND MASTER RTC JUDGE DEMOSTHENES MAGALLANES
GRAND MASTER JUANITO TORTAL
ATTY. MARVIN TANADA
DR. ERNESTO PALANCA
DAN CAJURAO
BENITO ERMINA
U.S.A. ASSOCIATE INSTRUCTORS
MASTER P. GREG ALLAND (DIRECTOR)
ANTHONY (TONY) MC GREGOR
ROBERT (BOB) CASPER
CORPORATE LEGAL ADVISERS:
JUDGE DEMOSTHENES MAGALLANES (LEGAL ADVISOR)
HON. JUANITO AMIHAN
ATTY. MARVIN J. TANADA (CPA/LAWYER) KALI MASTER
ATTY. SOLOMON LOBRIDO
PROJECT COORDINATORS:
NEGROS OCCIDENTAL HEAD OFFICE MANILA CHAPTER
TESSIE ARLENE TORTAL
JERSON E. TORTAL JR.
DELEILAH T. OREA
CEASAR VEGA
SHEILAH MAE TORTAL
JACK CLARK
BENITO ERMINA
ELEAZAR TORTAL
JOY TORTAL
ANNIE TORTAL
TECHNICAL CONSULTANT DR. ERNESTO PALANCA
GRAND MASTER JUANITO TORTAL
MAYOR NEHEMIAS "NENE" DELA CRUZ
MAJOR DEMY TEJARES
JACK CLARK
CESAR VEGA

[kaliace]

Hello,

He is self appointed in the “position”. Greg Alland does not have any position in the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organization.

Michael G Olive

[TopDog]

Hey I'm confused about all of this. I went to look up more information about Greg Alland. So Does Greg Alland "conduct" seminars around the world with Master Tortal and his son? (As is mentioned with photos presented on his website http://kalisilat.com/oldindex.html ) Has he been trained under this Master Jerson Tortal since 1979? If so How is Greg Alland not connected to Master Tortals, Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organization? This is quite strange.

[MAMike]

Hum, there's no Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organisation as i know. There's only the PHIL. ARNIS (KALI) MARTIAL ARTS FEDERATION INTL. INC. and Greg is a USA associated instructor and director for USA, too. And yes, he is with the Tortals since the late 70ths and yes, he organized a lot of seminars this year with GM Tortal and his son.

This are facts, but i'm sure Mr. Olive will tell us his truth.

Regards, Mike

[MAMike]

Found something interesting on the internet:

Philipines Arnis (Kali) Escrima Martial Arts Federation International
Grandmaster Jerson "Nene" Tortal Int'l Grandmaster/Founding President
Philippines Arnis-Kali-Escrima Martial Arts Federation Inc. Bacolod City/ Manila, Philippines. Master Instructor Jerson E. Tortal Jr.

United States Reps.

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Utah (USA) Branch under Guro/ US. Head Instructor Jared Wihongi

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
(USA) Bob Casper

Dekiti-Tirsia Siradas System
(USA) Tony McGreggor

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Wyoming(USA) Branch under Senior Instructor Guro Ben Fajardo
Asst. Instructor Rich Hager
Asst. Kelsey Dennis


Ohweh, i didn't found Mr. Olive as an instructor....

[kaliace]

Hum, there's no Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organisation as i know. There's only the PHIL. ARNIS (KALI) MARTIAL ARTS FEDERATION INTL. INC. and Greg is a USA associated instructor and director for USA, too. And yes, he is with the Tortals since the late 70ths and yes, he organized a lot of seminars this year with GM Tortal and his son.

This are facts, but i'm sure Mr. Olive will tell us his truth.

Regards, Mike

MAmike,

Yep you are right; there is not one set up for the USA yet. We are working on that and it should be formed and up to speed in a couple of months. Greg Alland is no longer the US director, he has been officially removed.
He was not with the Tortal’s since the 70’s he was with Tuhon Leo Gaje, Grand Master Jerson Tortal’s nephew. He did not associate himself with Grand Master until 1996 or so.
He did “organize” several of the events, but did not pay for his travel over here, or in the US. Greg did manage to mishandle Grand Master’s trip to your country and abandoned him here in the US while he went over there. In fact upon Greg’s return he did not make contact with Grand Master for over a month. Strange for him not to even see if Grand Master was alright, since Greg was “hosting” him here.

I love it, keep it up. As I said before the truth will set you free.

Michael G Olive

[kaliace]

Found something interesting on the internet:

Philipines Arnis (Kali) Escrima Martial Arts Federation International
Grandmaster Jerson "Nene" Tortal Int'l Grandmaster/Founding President
Philippines Arnis-Kali-Escrima Martial Arts Federation Inc. Bacolod City/ Manila, Philippines. Master Instructor Jerson E. Tortal Jr.

United States Reps.

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Utah (USA) Branch under Guro/ US. Head Instructor Jared Wihongi

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
(USA) Bob Casper

Dekiti-Tirsia Siradas System
(USA) Tony McGreggor

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Wyoming(USA) Branch under Senior Instructor Guro Ben Fajardo
Asst. Instructor Rich Hager
Asst. Kelsey Dennis


Ohweh, i didn't found Mr. Olive as an instructor....

ALRIGHT!

Bring it on Mike! I love it.

Yep I am not on that list, funny I don’t see Greg Alland either.

Make contact with Guru Casper; see what he thinks of my “status”

Keep and eye on this forum and when we are ready I will announce the new website and organization.

Thanks Mike, you made my day.

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

All of them what you said isn't new stuff for me. I know a lot of stories about him, the Tortal's, Leo Gaje and serveral other guys which are involved. But as i see you didn't understand anythink from my words.....

I'll make it easier for you: Grandmaster Tortal and MasGuru Alland are both old enough to clear there problem (if they have one) thereself. They don't need a casper like you which makes the thing still worse.

You should be slowly arisen.

Regards,
Mike

[MAMike]

Yep I am not on that list, funny I don’t see Greg Alland either.

Greg teaches Kali Silat which is a blend of Doce Pares, Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, Pekiti Tirsia Kali and Pencak Silat....... but tell us your truth..

[kaliace]

All of them what you said isn't new stuff for me. I know a lot of stories about him, the Tortal's, Leo Gaje and serveral other guys which are involved. But as i see you didn't understand anythink from my words.....

I'll make it easier for you: Grandmaster Tortal and MasGuru Alland are both old enough to clear there problem (if they have one) thereself. They don't need a casper like you which makes the thing still worse.

You should be slowly arisen.

Regards,
Mike

Fantastic!
What is “slowly arisen” and what do you mean by “Casper”.

I love how you still defend Greg Alland when you have heard the truth. I guess he can do no wrong in your eyes. It is being handled; the thing is that the organization has been authorized to represent Grand Master in issues with Greg. But you know better.

I mean you are the one that uses Grand Master’s System name on your website address and claims to be the ultimate resource in Kali Silat. You do realize that Kali Silat has absolutely nothing to do with Dekiti Tirsia Siradas? Who is really making things worse?

Michael G Olive

[kaliace]

Greg teaches Kali Silat which is a blend of Doce Pares, Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, Pekiti Tirsia Kali and Pencak Silat....... but tell us your truth..

Okay,
Thank you for proving my point??

You said it right there, it is not Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system, it is Greg’s own version of a system he calls “SinaTirsiaWali” I belive. The only thing Greg uses in his version is the twelve strikes from Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, nothing else….nothing.

You rock Mike, Keep it coming.

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

Fantastic!
What is “slowly arisen” and what do you mean by “Casper”.

I love how you still defend Greg Alland when you have heard the truth. I guess he can do no wrong in your eyes. It is being handled; the thing is that the organization has been authorized to represent Grand Master in issues with Greg. But you know better.

I mean you are the one that uses Grand Master’s System name on your website address and claims to be the ultimate resource in Kali Silat. You do realize that Kali Silat has absolutely nothing to do with Dekiti Tirsia Siradas? Who is really making things worse?

Michael G Olive

Casper means you're a clown and should go back to your circus.
Slowly arisen should mean that you're a child and should slowly become an adult.

I never said that Greg doesn't anythink wrong. I said it makes my training not better if i know that. In my eyes it only promote your stupid attitude, to spread out such rumors.

About the website. I promoted all seminars from Grandmaster Tortal on this page and i promote some seminars from Greg, too. Because:

Dekiti Tirsia Siradas is a part from Greg's Kali Silat. SinaTirsiaWali is a concept and not a style. But i think there's not enough place in your little brain to understand that difference.

About the website. You talked about the past....

Okay, i give you the chance, here and know, to prove that Greg managed the mishandle with Grandmaster Tortal's trip to germany and europe. No rumors allowed. I would see some paper or else....

I'm waiting, Mike

[kaliace]

Casper means you're a clown and should go back to your circus.
Slowly arisen should mean that you're a child and should slowly become an adult.

I never said that Greg doesn't anythink wrong. I said it makes my training not better if i know that. In my eyes it only promote your stupid attitude, to spread out such rumors.

About the website. I promoted all seminars from Grandmaster Tortal on this page and i promote some seminars from Greg, too. Because:

Dekiti Tirsia Siradas is a part from Greg's Kali Silat. SinaTirsiaWali is a concept and not a style. But i think there's not enough place in your little brain to understand that difference.

About the website. You talked about the past....

Okay, i give you the chance, here and know, to prove that Greg managed the mishandle with Grandmaster Tortal's trip to germany and europe. No rumors allowed. I would see some paper or else....

I'm waiting, Mike

Wow, name calling. That is really clever.

Is this where I say “I am rubber and you are glue whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!”?

I don’t spread rumors, just facts. You just refuse to listen.

“Or else…”
Mike I don’t respond well to threats. Keep that in mind before you say or do something you might regret. It has been friendly banter so far, and I am cool with it.

Do you even know what travel agency was responsible for GM’s trip to Europe?

I did notice on your site that you have my website under your links. Please go ahead and remove me from that, I don’t want my good name tarnished.
Michael G Olive