How many of you carry weapons?

[one sword]

Oh, yeah they work in a REAL situation. A training partner got into a situation at a party with some coked-up fool. He layed him DOWN. He dumped the nickels out the window when we left. No one around here really calls the po-lice unless something happens at a business.

BTW, in TN you may recieve a CCP for telescopic batons about as easily as one for a handgun. Why carry both? I personally don't want to shoot anyone if I don't have to. Batons don't pose any type of danger to bystanders unless they are poking their hands where they don't belong. ASPs work really well and have a HUGE intimidation factor. Plus it gives you a lot more range over a legal for carry blade. 4" compared to 26", that is a pretty serious diference. They make them almost as long as escrima. I think people are trying to pass legislation to allow blades longer than 4" and automatic knives to be carried with a similiar permit. If that caomes around I'm going to get a freaking Applegate/Fairbarne(spelling) smatchet. If you have not seen this knife, check it out. It is big and mean, the type of thing that steals hands and fingers like bones are butter. If someone had this whipped out against a 5-6" blade the other guy would probably crap his pants(you just have to see this knife).

[adacas]

every make brass knucks out of toilet paper? Its not exactly brass knucks since there is no brass but a little glue and lots of toilet paper can work well. I got the idea from a former step dad who spent some time in prison. Or if you are like me and sometimes wear knee braces you can buy those heavy duty ones with the plastic pieces that slip into the side for extra support and sharpen the plastic pieces and you have a fine shank to use and nobody would ever notice. I like canes and would buy myself one of those nice ones with a hammer handle and weighted at the tip too so you can swing that sucker hard.

[falcon3624]

Alright this is getting crazy. I didn't realize there was this many "ninjas" running around carrying like 10 different kinds of weapons.......

[Nit]

I don't carry an offensive weapon technically, but when ever I am walking into a situation which demands vigilence I have may hand in my pocket and around my keys, with one protruding through my fingers...

Also I have a keyring which is a metal hoop attached to a 1 inch chain (its actually a broken keyring, used to have a bit of spinning metal in the middle) which gives me good purchase for swinging the keys like having a kubotan.

Because of the crazy laws in the UK modifying anything in anyway to use as a weapon is aggrivated assault with a deadly weapon, this includes breaking a bottle, snapping a broom stick or using your car keys. Its a sentence of 3 years just for carrying anything that is seem as 'offensive' like a kubotan etc...

The reason why I keep my hand in my pocket is that in court I can plead that I was attacked and it was in my hands at the time I retaliated.

Oh and kicking /striking someone if your a licensed martial artist is assault with a deadly weapon (your body, hands feet etc).

[Apoth]

Originally posted by one sword
BTW, in TN you may recieve a CCP for telescopic batons about as easily as one for a handgun. Why carry both? I personally don't want to shoot anyone if I don't have to. Batons don't pose any type of danger to bystanders unless they are poking their hands where they don't belong.

This was something I was not aware of. The style of Arnis I've taken focuses alot more on stick work than knife work so carrying a telescoping baton might be very helpful. Do you know, by chance, how much it costs to get that permit or how much a baton would run me?

On another note, the thing about being a martial artist and your limbs beind a deadly weapon is dependant on where you are. I know that in TN, the law specifically states that your hands and feet are not deadly weapons. Of course, if you're in the UK or any other state it can be, and probably is, different.

[adacas]

I have never heard of someone being a licensed blackbelt. I have always hears some liars claim that their hands are registered as deadly weapons because they are blackbelts here in the states. I guess across the seas its a little different. I mean comeon how can a blackbelt in say judo be considered a deadly weapon. I don't believe that anywhere in the states is there a law making your hands a deadly weapon unless you served in like the rangers or seals or something where you are specifically taught how to kill I guess.

[Nit]

lol, sorry, I'm misleading you inthe US I think...

Here if you are involved in a fight, then it is taken into account that you have had martial art training...

if you hit the person with your fists and they were hurt (hopefully) then it will be argued in court that you have training and so are therefore more likely to hurt the person then an 'average' thug on the street, sorry UK Citizen and so should have more control and therefore the onus will be on you to prove defense as you had the 'weapon' of knowledge of how to fight...

as for the assult with a deadly weapon, its not that because your in MA your are 'trained to kill', its in the context of the attack. So being a Judokai doesn't necessarily mean that you are punching with deadly fists, it means that you have fighting knowledge and therefore are more responsible for the outcome of the situation, as if you were holding a weapon or 'equaliser'

So stamping on a guy on the floor is AWADW but kicking his feet so he falls over and you can escape may not be... but both can be 'MA' techniques

also I'm not very clear on all of it myself, so corrections are welcome...

[one sword]

I think it would be arguable in court that a trained martial artist could also argue a case of competance, where with his expertice he was able to reason that the amount of force used was necesary to protect his life(of course depends on situation). As long as you are not excessive, which I think is wrong anyway, there should not be a problem with a law abiding citizen beating up a knife toting thug, even in UK. Say someone presents a knife and asks for money, youtake arm and shoulder throw, dislocating the shoulder as you smash it into the ground. You then lock out the arm and disarm the knife. This should be admisable anywhere in the U.S.. A criminal is probably smart enough to run away afgter this happens if he can. He won't want to go to prison injured in a failed mugging against some Scott-Irish Tennessee boy.

BTW, that baton permit is around 40-60$$, it depends on who gives the test. A good telescopic baton is about $50+. That is for law enforcement/military quality. You can probably get a cheaper one, but the good ones wear out much slower and are just easier to predict. I don't like the idea of turning a solid weapon into a three piece one, but it is for concealability, so I think of it as ok. The cheap ones will start to screw up by the time you learn how to open it easily. Expensive models by ASP are some of the only ones that extend to near escrima length, like $60. But these have a longer first section. So colapsed a 26" baton is like 11". That is kind of large unless you are wearing a coat. The ones around 18"-22" seem sturdier and are more easily concealed. I would go for one of those. It will still give you about 15" on anyone with a knife. Do a search for ASP, they make the best.

[Apoth]

But where in the hell do I find someone to put me through the training course?

[one sword]

Herb Snow, Cookeville PD SWAT team teaches and certifies the course here. I would suggest you call all of the PDs in NV and just ask around. If you can't find anyone PM me and we can get a group together to take the course on the same day(1 day course). It will be cheaper that way. If you have any training partners or whatever. We could all go get it at the same time. I have not gotten it because in my town I am not really worried about random larceny, but I would still like to get it. Try and find one in NV. If not we could hook up. That could be better anyway. Start cross training an shiot like that you know.

[Keeper]

I live in the UK and carry a 3-inch folder. It's legal to carry. But it's an almost instant prison sentance for using it. So... my philosophy: Don't use it (unless I absolutly have to). And if I DO use it? RUN LIKE A MOTHER F***ER, and hide. Basicly, hit and run.

A freind of mind was recently fined £5000 for defending himself on a train when two ticket guys were giving him racist abuse and it got physical.

When i'm out on the weekends and I might get padded down in a club or car (London) I only have a steel bullpoint pen on me. (which is VERY effective when used as a dulo-dulo)

Such a crazy world huh?

Keeper

[hybrid1]

I always carry a blade. Sometimes a firearm in a fannypack. Nine years of law enforcement experience makes you want to stay on your toes.

[RobertG]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by adacas
[B]. I mean comeon how can a blackbelt in say judo be considered a deadly weapon. [QUOTE]

Pretty easy. Blackbelt in judo dumps you head first into concrete. You die of head trauma. End of story.

[HuSanYan]

telescopic baton most of the time for me

[one sword]

[I mean comeon how can a blackbelt in say judo be considered a deadly weapon.

Pretty easy. Blackbelt in judo dumps you head first into concrete. You die of head trauma. End of story.

werd........Kata-garuma beeotches.....illegal judo throws are the best, oh wait that's ju-jitsu