Judo cont'd

[greenthing]

I don't believe you but I will check and see if possible

[jubaji]

Originally posted by greenthing
I have been around enough that I know that the vast majoriaty of you couldn't press 315 on your best day ever let alone do sets. .

You've "been around long enough to know" what people you've never met can do? Wow. You've been around long enough to become omniscient. That's a long time. Idiot. Go back to your 'supplements' cowardly weakling.

[greenthing]

The currant AA.U. powerlifting record is;

J Mcauliffe Sept.'96 220 lb. Open division 560.75lbs.


So that makes you a lieing bee-otch. Not to be taken seriously ever again.



Plus I thought I heard a little mouse squeaking.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by greenthing
The currant AA.U. powerlifting record is;

not you, wimpy

[jubaji]

Originally posted by greenthing
The currant

"currant"

hahahahhahahah You need new crayons.

[judoguy6]

Originally posted by greenthing
Here in Minneapolis there are alot of professional wrestlers. Rick Rude ,Curt Henning, Rick Flair, Nord the Barbarian The Road Warriors . Unfortunatly Rick Rude Curt Henning and one of the Road Warriors have all recently passed away. Rick Flair is from Edina ,a suburb of Minneapolis,I think his dad is some rich doctor. There are a bunch more from around here I just can't think of their names right now. Vern Gagne was the promoter a very good wrestler also. The promoter now is a guy named Eddie Sharkey. Brock Lesnar ,wrestled at the University of Minnesota here in Mpls.
I met Curt Henning before thru a friend He was a nice guy and I thought one of the best wrestlers.I used to see his dad around "Pretty Boy" Larry Henning. He was very scary looking flaming red hair and very big .Rick Flair and Curt "Mr.Perfect"Henning used to hit the local bars around here.

I know of all these guys. Too bad some have passed away. Verne gagne was a terrific wrestler back in the old days of Buddy Rogers, Bobo Brazil, Fred Blassie, etc.

Some of the judo greats who went into the pro wrestling ranks were, of course, Kimura (a true judo legend who, not surprisingly, made mincemeat of Helio Gracie), Anton Geesink (the Dutch giant who was the first Caucasian to beat the Japanese at their own game) and even Allen Coage from the U.S. who wrestled under the name of Bad News Brown in the WWF for about 10 years. I met him back in the 70's when he came to Japan to train and proceeded to beat Canadian great Doug Rogers (1964 Silver medalist in Tokyo) who came out of retirement for the 1971(?) Pan American Games.

There have been so many stories about Kimura's training that I once asked him how many reps he could do on the bench with 80 kg (that's 176 lbs). He told me 500 reps!! It's hard to imagine and I thought surely he was exagerating. But when I thought about his accomplishments and the fact he consistently did 1,000 pushups a day and was undefeated in his day, it could've been possible.

[judoguy6]

Benching and Strength

I've spent a lot of time in the gym with the weights over the past 40 years and I know that a bench of 400 lbs is gettin' pretty strong. I've seen the Russian Olympic lifters training, particularly Alexiev (remember him, 80 world records?). Now there's leg and back strength for you and a whole lot of technique.

I even did some Olympic lifting for awhile after my judo career but finally had to give it up because of shoulder injuries from judo.

I've also trained alongside Olympic shot putters and power lifters. I also have a friend who was the World Heavyweight Arm Wrestling Champion one year. (Yeah, I did some of that for awhile, too). These guys are really throwing around a lot of weight squatting with 800+ lbs and benching 600 lbs.

Being strong in the gym though won't make you a judo champ, or wrestling champ. It sure helps but overall body strength is much more important and it comes mainly from your trunk area. And it's how you use the strength that you have. As a rule, the Japanese still don't put that much emphasis on weight training like the Europeans do who try to make up for their lack of technique with strength.

A couple of notable exceptions were Japanese legends Inokuma and Okano who were head and shoulders above everyone else. I trained with Okano for awhile. He had already been retired for awhile at the time but, man, was he still strong --- and dangerous. There always seems to be a bit of a mean streak in these guys and that was probably part of the reason they became what they did. If you pissed him off somehow -- look out 'cause you were literally going to be fighting for your life.

I've been knocked out from throws, thrown onto concrete floors, into walls, almost out of a 6th story windows and choked out so many times, I'm sure I've lost a few billion brain cells. I've broken and strained my ankles a dozen times, broken my shoulder, broken my elbow, broken my toes, had herniated disks, wrecked my knees and hip, and of course, the all-important cauliflower ears. All for no money and little glory.

So, you if you ask me again if judo guys are toughest -- right on. I'm actually sad that the UFC came along a little too late for me.

[greenthing]

Was that all in fun ? Do you get mad during competition or are you mostly reacting? Did you attack or try to counter mostly?

[judoguy6]

A lot of times, it was fun. But when you are training seriously 35 hours a week never knowing if you were going to make the team and then having the pressure of winning when you did go to a competition, it was not fun.

Our coach was a slave driver because that's how he became the world's best. He threw me so hard once that to this day, I swear it was tai-otoshi and everyone else told me it was his infamous osoto-gari where he throws you onto the back of your head. I thought he had broken my sternum. That's not fun.

It's also not fun when someone chokes you out even after you have tapped. There is no one there to stop them. Do you think you fight a little harder when you know that there is no easy way out? That's not fun, it's scary.

It's no fun either when a 240-pounder lies full force on your face trying to smother you with his belly for 1/2 hour with no one there to dare pull him off. If you panic in enclosed places, either you'll go crazy or be cured!

Most of these things happened in Japan where you go through the school of hard knocks. Especially at the police dojos where it's all business. One world champion kept me on the mat for randori for an hour because he was pissed that he couldn't throw me.

In competition, I always tried to attack unless I was too baffed out. If you're behind you're going to go all out anyways. I usually only got mad in competitions when my opponent was doing some kind of stupid tactics like kicking instead of sweeping or being really defensive. Yeah, that one always pissed me off. "Stand up and fight like a man."

[IPON]

Originally posted by greenthing
The currant AA.U. powerlifting record is;

J Mcauliffe Sept.'96 220 lb. Open division 560.75lbs.


So that makes you a lieing bee-otch. Not to be taken seriously ever again.



Plus I thought I heard a little mouse squeaking.

Look Re-read my post I specifically said I did not start competition. I considered competition becuase the owner of the gym where I trainend was encouraging me becuase of my bench, but I was only interetsed in the bench. At the time when I thought strength competions I thought the triple threat, squat, clean and jerk and bench. Of the 3 I only did the bench, I trained my legs but I just don't like standrd squats. When I saw the corruption and the use (or lack of screening) of steriods, I decided not to start. It was not that important to me. what I benched was nearly 600 (12*45=540, + 45lb bar= 585 steel clamps 2.5 or 5lbs each lets say 2.5lbs so total: 590) I had three people spotting, I did one full press though technically I cheated becuase I didn't give a 1 sec pause before pushing (but it was controlled and did not bounce off my chest). I only did this only time i never tried after that for various reasons time, spotters, interest.

I didn't post it to brag I was actually trying to further judoguy's point and give justifcation to your max .... damn!! Kevin I am not a liar and I don't appreciate being called one, I have no reason to Lie especially to somone that claims to be a hillariously GAY judoka who loves being in the guard and allegedly cheerful tranves-dike....I guess your closet is not just for coats huh BEEEEOTCH

[greenthing]

OH WHAT A WICKED WEB WE WEAVE,WHEN OUR INTENT IS TO DECEIVE!

Gee and how were you dressed? Would you answer that question?

If you were any kind of a powerlifter or even just hung around powerlifters you would have mentioned if you were wearing a shirt. That would be an elastic bench press shirt.You failed to mention the obvious.


Bullshit.

[IPON]

Originally posted by IPON
Never really used any aids though I experimented with alot, creatine, aminos, etc (no roids). At the time I was interested in competition until I learned how corrupt it was.

Dude How many time do I have to say I was not a powerlifter, nor did I hang around power lifters, bodybiulders yes. I did not get a subscription to powerlifting USA, and I never competed. So please explain how I am being decitful. I have no idea what an elastic shirt is, I will assume it will assist with the press. I typically wore sweathirts and it worked fine for me. Even if I were a power lifter, again which I never claimed to be, why would I mention what clothing I wore....if I don't mention that I use lifting gloves or chalk on my hands does that mean I don't bench. And I guess I don't jog if I discuss jogging and don't mention the type of running shoes I am wearing

AGAIN, I am not nor was I ever a powerlifter, but I thought about competing at one time then decided not to for the reasons I already stated, plus it was not that importatnt to me at the timen and that was 6 years ago. Dude something is really wrong with you, I actually apologized for being rude to you......and now you call me a liar. Again the point was not about my bench I just gave information trying to further your point. Look, believe or don't believe your choice, but that doesn't change reality. Just like the reality of bowing, truth is who cares but you. Grow up man.....damn!!!!

[Greenthink]

Bench press shirts are made out of an elastic material I think that the main usage is to protect your shoulders but they do increase your bench.I saw a guy (185lbs.)go from405 upto maybe 430-440- range because of wearing a bench shirt.Hey maybe they didn't have them six years ago. I think maybe you exagerated but who knows.I just don't think you beat the A.A.U. record by 40lbs.Without even wearing a shirt or using steroids!
Unless you are a freak of nature ,and if you are then I better apologize.So I am sorry that you are a freak of nature.How's that?
Hey the big boy's are only benching 720 or so .Maybe we should enter you in some contest's huh.We will train you in competitive Judo and sic you on the Judo world. They spell ippon with two P's.
If your name is Ipon you probably play Judo already.Yes?
If you weighed 240-250lb. range I would not question your lift but my momma didn't raise no fools.
The best bench shirts are made out of triple ply denim.And now at contests they get them wet actually pour water on the guy just before they lift and that squirts water all over the place.Sounds like they are getting carried away.

[IPON]

sigh......Ok Kevin Look

1. Actually I weighed 225 that was a typo

2. Elestic shirts may have been available, you are probably correct I do not know. I am just saying I never knew them.

3. I have never used streoids, and yes people thought I did and I was approached several times to supply people. I look at sports as a purest in the sense I don't like cheating. so roids were out, actually I now that you are talking about elastic shirt I think I may feel the same way. If gives an artificial advantage. I mean you may be able to push more weight but it is artificial, just like if you use steroids. Some suppliments like amino acids, creatine, etc tried and they didn't work for me I didn't feel I needed them so why use them.

4. I never entered competition, maybe I did /do good genetics towards strength. But, all my workouts are with strict form, no cheating (except for that one time). i knew the owner of the gym and he suggested powerlifting. So I CONSIDERED competition. But the competitions were in catagories (don't quote me) 1 regular (don't routinly test) 2 Natural (steroid free 6 months) and 3 Free (steroid free one year). At the time I just didn't think it was that bad in stregth competitions. So I didn't think it was worth my time...plus like I said it was only the bench press. I am proportiatley weaker in other exercises (eg around this time I hit 580 lift more than 250 on an incline)

5. Only 720??? That's not small wieght. I think the world record is 800+lbs. Dude I did almost 600 and I thought I was going to die and I never did it again every 10-15lbs (even 5lbs) is huge. When I I did that max I wanted to get to 6 plates. It was a goal, a big part is mental, being able to visualize the goal. I actually did not expect to achieve it, but that's how I trainined, but like I said I cheated (by my standards) I did not completly lock my arms ( lifted to the rack and I was fine with that) and I did not give a second pause at the end (eccentric). So if if I were in competion did I have a wining press hell no it would not have qualified, and if I were in competition and decreased the weight by 30-40lbs I may not have ben able to lift it as I was so drained from the first press. So the answer is I probably would not have beaten the AAU record ..... but I also never claimed to break or equal any records (AAU or otherwise) how could I did not compete

6. Yes I know the correct spelling for IPPON. IPON is short for "I Ponder" but actually I meant to use IPPON but I am ahorrible typist as you can see from my many posts and I am lost without spell check, hence IPON.

7. I will accept your backhanded apology...so let's move on

[IPON]

I read some of Renzo Gracies book and he discussed Fusen Judo.
That this style of judo is basically Brazillian jujitsu in terms of ground fighting. He slao stated that teh reason Kano emphasized the thorws and de-empahasizedthe ground fighting because it was better for the crowd as grappling can be boring to watch (makes sense).

Does anyone have any info or responses about Fusen Judo. so it seem BJJ is even less original than I thought (IMHO - I am not putting down BJJ).

Anway, just stimulating conversation