Wing Chun Vs Kyokushin Karate

[darrianation]

[QUOTE=sherwinc]

Broken Rhythm Martial Arts is a WASTE OF TIME....... Western Boxing, KickBoxing, MuayThai is not a broken rhythm kind of martial arts but the thing that i dont want them is that they only cover their forearms when you punch them as their blockings...... and most of the time, they use their face and chest to block opponents punches.....

Sherwinc,

This is one of the reasons why so many people are skeptical about the effectiveness of WC as well as many KF, and other TMAs. You speak from no experience. You think the stuff you learn in class really works. Why do you think the RBSD and the combatives guys do not believe in dueling? Why do you think we work the pre-emptive drive? Because the forearm bashing, block and counter crap does not work very often for the average MAs.

You have never been in a real fight, since junior high anyway, and you lack experience. This thread was started because many people cling to bad methods of training and techniques that are fallible and think WC is superior to most other MAS in its effectiveness.

What I have noticed is that in training many of the drills are designed to show the strength of the system and hide their weaknesses. Students come away with an over-exaggerated belief in the effectiveness of what they think they know, it’s not until they get some real experiences and failures that they begin to understand That something is wrong or missing. In the real world things don’t work like they tell you in class they will, WC is no exception. WC has it’s weaknesses I think over all it’s better than some MAs but still lacks reality.

it is truely hard to understand KungFu if you have no proper instructor, that you only rely on books, net, magazines, and word of mouth of the fake filipino kungfu instructors here in our place.....

It's also hard to understand the reality of application without experience.

[Thai Bri]

Tameo - if you're Instructors are the tossers in those video clips you posted a few months ago I would, indeed, like to come over and educate them.

Those clips (which, ridiculously, you posted as "proof" of WC effectiveness) were fooking awful. Put em up again so we can all enjoy the larf once more.

[Studiobuddy]

Why would people bad mouth other styles of MA? I mean come on just because you practice a certain style everything else is non-superior. If you are like one of these people such as maybe sherwinc or w/e your name is. I dont consider you a MA, you have no honor nor respect for other's. Opinions are welcome, but name calling, cussing people out.....I mean come on....you think anyone will take you seriously? I think you or who ever else with this behavior needs to quit MA. You bring shame and disgrace, I never hear a Grandmaster bad mouthing other styles. I bet if your sifu or who ever read what you've been writing on this forum would slap you across the face. If it was up to me I would already kick you out of my school. This goes for anyone, a good fighter is respectful, honorable, and smart. Not dumb, ignorant, or a liar. So please, I urge you to change your ways and focus more on your MA then running your mouth.

[Thai Bri]

I like the "I never hear a Grand Master bad mouthing other styles" line best. I bet you don't think that bears shit in the woods.

[Studiobuddy]

a good master wouldn't

[sherwinc]

sherwinc, where can I find some basic info about the Eagle claw style/system??, could you please post a link (if there are any websites that you know of)??, much appreciated.

btw, i am once again about to start some serious research into some of the KungFu styles that i have not yet had the time to look at. White Crane is one of them.

sorry if this post is a bit off topic......

i am talking about the Southern Eagle KungFu and not the Northern Eagle KungFu........

Southern Eagle KungFu, the best example of that is like what you see in the movie "Snake in the Eagle Shadow" with Jackie Chan, Jackie Chan's Snake and Cat KungFu style versus his opponent with the Southern Eagle Claw KungFu Style.......

Note:
Southern Eagle Claw KungFu Style uses only 3 fingers to claw, and not the 5 fingers used by the Northern Eagle Claw KungFu......

Note:
i have no link to present, cause my instructor doesnt want to teach us that KungFu art..... and according to my kungfu instructor, the only way to defeat this Southern Eagle Claw KungFu Systems is to have the opponent with a KungFu Style/Systems which involves in the training of Iron Skin.....

so, a good candidate kungfu art that can defeat the Southern Eagle Claw KungFu is:
1. NgoChoKun KungFu
2. WingChun KungFu
3. Arhats, Lohan, AngKa KungFu

or other KungFu Styles or Systems that involves with the practice of Iron Bridge Forearm.........

why??????

cause Bloody 3-claws is useless against Iron-Forearms......

and......

Bloody 3-claws is effective against Snake KungFu Style soft bodies......

[Tameo]

Tameo - if you're Instructors are the tossers in those video clips you posted a few months ago I would, indeed, like to come over and educate them.

Those clips (which, ridiculously, you posted as "proof" of WC effectiveness) were fooking awful. Put em up again so we can all enjoy the larf once more.

http://www.lawingchun.net/
Come to LA wing chun school and we will see how you do

[Thai Bri]

But I get to fight you first, right?

[Tameo]

But I get to fight you first, right?

Sure if you are afraid to fight instructors you can fight me...

[Tameo]

But I get to fight you first, right?

I have done freestyle wrestling for 2 years and then intensive TWC for a year. Still practicing TWC every day... If you are the experienced fighter you claim to be then you wouldnt even think of challenging me because I have been training for a lot less time than you... But i will fight you if you come over to LA and show you what WC is capable of... but if you try fighting my instructor then Im sure you will change your view on WC/TWC in a few seconds. Enough talk cyber warrior. Come over and see for yourself.

[darrianation]

http://www.lawingchun.net/
Come to LA wing chun school and we will see how you do

Hmmmm….This would be interesting hypothetically anyway. Having a MA prodigy like the instructor of the LA WC academy fight someone who really knows his shit and with tons of real world experience dealing with the most vile of violent criminals to boot.

[darrianation]

Why would people bad mouth other styles of MA? I mean come on just because you practice a certain style everything else is non-superior. If you are like one of these people such as maybe sherwinc or w/e your name is. I dont consider you a MA, you have no honor nor respect for other's. Opinions are welcome, but name calling, cussing people out.....I mean come on....you think anyone will take you seriously? I think you or who ever else with this behavior needs to quit MA. You bring shame and disgrace, I never hear a Grandmaster bad mouthing other styles. I bet if your sifu or who ever read what you've been writing on this forum would slap you across the face. If it was up to me I would already kick you out of my school. This goes for anyone, a good fighter is respectful, honorable, and smart. Not dumb, ignorant, or a liar. So please, I urge you to change your ways and focus more on your MA then running your mouth.

Forums are generally for people to state their opinions (both positive and negative), gain knowledge, and impart knowledge. If my opinion of WC or any other MA is negative then I will state that, I will also state why I have the opinion to the best of my ability. Its okay if you think I or anyone else is wacked, but that will not stop us from posting our beliefs. So don’t go crying about it saying “why does everyone bad mouth other MAs?” Tell us why you think the WC or anything else is good or bad, or whatever. But don’t whine about the discussion be apart of it (pro or con) or stay the hell out.

[Thai Bri]

In all serious Tameo, i'm not coming all the way over to LA. If you are ever in the UK let me know. We can have a friendly and civilised exchange of ideas and techniques. Who knows, maybe we will both learn a thing or two.

But those clips you posted? They were pretty awful.

[Studiobuddy]

Forums are generally for people to state their opinions (both positive and negative), gain knowledge, and impart knowledge. If my opinion of WC or any other MA is negative then I will state that, I will also state why I have the opinion to the best of my ability. Its okay if you think I or anyone else is wacked, but that will not stop us from posting our beliefs. So don’t go crying about it saying “why does everyone bad mouth other MAs?” Tell us why you think the WC or anything else is good or bad, or whatever. But don’t whine about the discussion be apart of it (pro or con) or stay the hell out.

Im not saying you can't post your beliefs but is it better to do it in more of a nicer way then people being like " Karate sucks its for fags!" I mean come one who takes people like that seriously. Personally I think you may be a goodfighter but with an attitude like that. The fullest of your MA will never be obtained. Thank you for your replies

[darrianation]

Im not saying you can't post your beliefs but is it better to do it in more of a nicer way then people being like " Karate sucks its for fags!" I mean come one who takes people like that seriously. Personally I think you may be a goodfighter but with an attitude like that. The fullest of your MA will never be obtained. Thank you for your replies

When I evaluate any SD program there are certain criteria I use.

1) Do they adhere to appropriate training principles, methods, and modalities?
2) Is the training efficient?
3) Is it practical?
4) Are the techniques/tactics functional under heavy stress, fear, and adrenalin?
5) Is it technique heavy?
6) How many of there techniques depend on fine motor skills, and are they dependant on precision timing, Laser like targeting, does everything have to go right for the technique to work?
7) Do they rely on mostly dead drills or mostly live drills?
8) Are their drills gaming?
9) Do there defenses rely on predictability, or cooperative partners?
10) During sparring do they duel?

This is just to name a few. Many systems train improperly, many systems develop a false sense of security or an over exaggerated believe in their techniques. They build and sustain bad neuro-muscle memory.

I don’t have to train it to know if they have good or bad training methods I just have to observe. And when it comes to Karate not only have I observed but I have participated in it for many years, as far as WC I have experience there too. So if I decide it sucks, then it sucks, and I will say so!

I don’t have a problem with feel good arts or arts that develop mind and body, but when some of these arts start putting labels of SELF-DEFENSE on them, that’s when I say hey wait a minute you guys don’t do..... and you guys do....This thread started because a bozo or two were saying how superior WC was to boxing, karate and MT. That’s why I started this thread, but the vid clip I thought was fun that’s why I used it.

Enough justification! If you like WC then Fine, so tell us of your WC experience or why you think it is superior. Then I say why I believe your wrong.