Critical Distance and Types of Fighters

[jcmack]

Fighting on your own and coordinating others is very different from fighting by yourself. Different thought processes. You have to think and plan when coordinating others because you have to be able to verbalize to others what they need to do. This requires forthought and a plan so everyone is on the same page.

[Hikage]

Believe what you will Hikage, it changes nothing.

War generals must coordinate other soldiers. This is different.

I've been in plenty of fights. Some against many people. It was part of my job. Also, I had/have rough friends whom I've had to bail out of trouble before. When you are the best fighter in your circle of friends, you are sometimes put in that position.

I'm only giving you something more to think about during your training.

Expand your minds.

I don't have a problem with anything you are saying. It is all true, of course. My issue is the arrogance with which you present it. As if [YOU are the sole person who could possibly understand this "entire upper level of ideas and blah blah blah." I hate to burst your bubble, but what you are describing is not that advanced. No student of ours will ever be promoted to black belt without demonstrating this ability. You're not so special, get over yourself.

The man asked for strategies, I gave him mine. No one with any sort of MA talent actually consciously thinks through a strategy during combat. All the strategies we are describing are subconscious and are to be implemented in the manner you are describing.

-Hikage

[jcmack]

Sorry you were offended Hikage. There is no need to become angry or defensive. I don't have the will to argue further with you, nor did I hold ill will in my original posts. In the future I shall be more gentle in my explanations for you. However, if you really do understand, you may be surprised to find out how many MAs don't.

Take all posts as advice to be considered or ignored. You are only limited by your own minds.

Happy training.

[shuyun]

in fighting as in posting. we acknowledge when we have a point and when another has a point.

"Touche." good sportsmanship people.

[Hardball]

Shuyun.......................Excellent synopsis.

Bowing Out

[shuyun]

Shuyun.......................Excellent synopsis.

Bowing Out

Bowing Back

[Hardball]

Critical Distance is especially important in the street. If the enemy has a weapon such as a baseball bat, or dangerous solvent (lye or bleach to blind or maim you) then critical distance is more than the distance needed to get out of punching range. I generally like to be in kicking range in the street.

If it is a firearm then critical distance takes a back seat to cover and concealment. Of course if it is a short barrelled weapon then perhaps you can dart out of range and into cover.

This all assumes that the assailant does not want your money but he wants your life.

[shuyun]

Against a guy with a gun i preffer to be with in punching range. Of course the gun automatically makes him a "blackbelt" but outside punching range the advantage is all his.

[Hardball]

Against a guy with a gun i preffer to be with in punching range. Of course the gun automatically makes him a "blackbelt" but outside punching range the advantage is all his.

Good point. Let me think about this some more.

[Mad_Mally]

It is not better to be within punching range with a guy with a gun. The closer you are to the weapon the greater your chances of beinf shot fatally. Do you know how hard it is shot someone from a distance? especially with a hand gun? Most thugs that you meet in the street haven't spent much time at the shooting range. In short, the farther away you are the harder it is to shoot and hit a person.

[Hardball]

It is not better to be within punching range with a guy with a gun. The closer you are to the weapon the greater your chances of beinf shot fatally. Do you know how hard it is shot someone from a distance? especially with a hand gun? Most thugs that you meet in the street haven't spent much time at the shooting range. In short, the farther away you are the harder it is to shoot and hit a person.

I think I like this answer better. Plus, I'll add; the handgun only has but so much accurate range. {ie distance}. I'll take my chances darting into cover (tree, or car) or concealment. (bushes or something else to block the shooter view). He can't shoot what he can't see.

[Hardball]

It is not better to be within punching range with a guy with a gun. The closer you are to the weapon the greater your chances of beinf shot fatally. Do you know how hard it is shot someone from a distance? especially with a hand gun? Most thugs that you meet in the street haven't spent much time at the shooting range. In short, the farther away you are the harder it is to shoot and hit a person.

I believe you want to be in punching range because you want to attempt a disarm such as a wrist lock or takeaway. Not to punch out the gun weilder. Correct?

[shuyun]

again this is strategy not any specific technique.but wristlocks are too fine motor for me. but generally move the gun outta the way, bust his nose or windpipe then take the gun away.

if the guy is smart, when you run he'll aim and you're not there to stop him. again i'm njot gospel truth here. but once the guy points and doesn't shoot you have a short but distinct window of opportunity.

by the time he sees the threat of a flying fist he'd be hit before he shot (in grappling range)

try it out with a toy gun wih bb pellets. ask a partner to shoot you before you can hurt him. remember he's supposed to point and not shoot yet.

if he intended to kill me he'd shoot and ask questions later maybe not even show me his gun. by then i'd be screwed.

[Hikage]

wristlocks are too fine motor for me.

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-Hikage

[Mad_Mally]

This is real life

I believe you want to be in punching range because you want to attempt a disarm such as a wrist lock or takeaway. Not to punch out the gun weilder. Correct?

You do not want to grapple with a guy with a gun, that's a good way to get shot. Trying to use a wristlock or takeway is pure fantasy. Remember this is real life not channel 5, no one is going to stand still while you attempt to use some techique you learned at the dojo using a wooden gun or something. In real life you try taking a gun from someone and it can go off accidentially it could fall and go off, it could go off and kill a third party, or you can end up in a violent struggle with your opponent, during which you could be attacked by one of your opponents friends. In Short if you see a guy with a gun, run.