Aikido vs boxing

[tntma]

LOL

Gee, can't argue with that!

Good, that was the point!

[jubaji]

Good, that was the point!

Your point was to demonstrate what an irrational dope you are? Way to go, champ!

[tntma]

my point, in case you are a little slow, is that there is no point in arguing this subject any longer. You obviously dont understand what it is you are talking about. Seems to me like you get to frustrated when trying to debate, and resort to name calling, possibly because you have nothing else to fall back on, due to a limited arsenal. That is pretty sad. I hope this frustration does not come out in other aspects of your training.

[jubaji]

You obviously dont understand what it is you are talking about. .

Well, that's a pretty convenient cop-out. What exactly have I said that you take issue with?


*hint* "You just don't get it!" or "I just know I'm right!" are not acceptable answers.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

just because aikido was meant for peace, does not mean that its not dangerous. Most of the techniques, when done with proper technique, speed, and footwork can be quite effective and dangerous, especailly with a violent uke. In aikido, the violent energy of the attacker is redirected back onto the attacker, using the violent energy against the assailant. There is no point in arguing this anymore. You few people that bash aikido will believe what you want, the rest of us will believe the truth. Though it does take a long time to effectivly learn, aikido is a strong and powerful art.

Not fatal? Aikido , though meant for peace, can be quite dangerous. O-sensie did believe in peace and harmony, when everyone was in cooperation. When cooperation is broke, then there is chaos. that is when the moves become more painful, dangerous or even fatal.

Please understand that I'm not doubting Aikido's potential strength, what I'm saying is that to use that strength to take life is against the fundamental philosphy of Aikido as set forth by O Sensei. I'd also take issue with the statement that Aikido redirects the attackers violent energy back at them. Aikido seeks to divert that energy into a harmless direction, not back onto anyone. That's why we learn the rolls in Aikido, a properly executed technique leaves the attacker with a graceful way out while keeping the person under attack safe. None of this is my own conjecture or opinion, you can find it straight from the source by reading O Sensei's writings.

[kljohnson]

Please understand that I'm not doubting Aikido's potential strength, what I'm saying is that to use that strength to take life is against the fundamental philosphy of Aikido as set forth by O Sensei. I'd also take issue with the statement that Aikido redirects the attackers violent energy back at them. Aikido seeks to divert that energy into a harmless direction, not back onto anyone. That's why we learn the rolls in Aikido, a properly executed technique leaves the attacker with a graceful way out while keeping the person under attack safe. None of this is my own conjecture or opinion, you can find it straight from the source by reading O Sensei's writings.

And I don't think either of us are trying to say other wise. I am well aware that O Sensei was a peaceful many, I've studied some of his writings. I'm not trying to undermine that, but to say that an Akidoist has no chance against a boxer is ridiculous.

--Also one should keep in mind that there are different styles of Aikido. Some are more agressive (not quite the word I'm looking for) like some have more stikes than others. Generalizations are dangerous.

Bottom line, everyone is going to think what they want, and believe what we see. I know what I've seen, And I'll continue to believe it.

[tntma]

Please understand that I'm not doubting Aikido's potential strength, what I'm saying is that to use that strength to take life is against the fundamental philosphy of Aikido as set forth by O Sensei. I'd also take issue with the statement that Aikido redirects the attackers violent energy back at them. Aikido seeks to divert that energy into a harmless direction, not back onto anyone. That's why we learn the rolls in Aikido, a properly executed technique leaves the attacker with a graceful way out while keeping the person under attack safe. None of this is my own conjecture or opinion, you can find it straight from the source by reading O Sensei's writings.

i understand what you are saying, but if you are uncooperative, or dont know or understand breakfalls or rolls, the techniques from aikido can be quite painful. For example, irimi nage, if done properly, to some one uncooperative, could be fatal, if not then it would hurt like hell. As well some of the wrist locks, and arm locks, could break bones.

I do agree with you. You are correct in the founders beliefs, but just because an art is peaceful, doesnt make it any less dangerous, effective, or useless.

[jubaji]

just because an art is peaceful, doesnt make it any less dangerous, effective, or useless.

Are you trying to say that Aikido is dangerous, effective, and useless?


Make up your mind!

[tntma]

That is my mistake. I meant to say it doesnt make it any less useful.

[pstevens]

A skilled Aikidoist would likely move around the jabs, as a jab isn't suppsed do much but measure and help keep a person where you want them.

Jabs are also offensive tools. You never boxed... It’s ridiculous to claim a aikidoist can “move around” a boxer’s jab. Even boxers, who have fine-tuned their reflexes, get hit by jabs.

A proper Aikido stance would likely make the jab ineffective.

Pure nonsense.

There is energy in every movement, and an Aikidoist uses your energy against you. If you move, there is an opportunity. It is simple to help you continue a motion you have started and re-direct it, and there are specific moves a person could use, like the heaven and earth throw or iri-minage, which can work for the jab, cross and power hand. Will they work every time? Probably not, but does anything work everytime? Does every jab land?

The chances of an aikidoist re-directing a jab is next to none... Jabs do land quite consistently... In fact, many fights are won by jabs alone.

even if an aikidoist does not know any techniques, he can keep away from the boxer till the boxer gets frustrated and comes in with a harder technique, then put him down hard. Im not trying to start an aguement here, just wanted to say my 2 cents

Puahahahaha.... How do you expect to keep away from someone without throwing anything? It’s impossible, especially in a confined area. If what you mean is that the aikidoist will run away, then I believe it.

the only reason i know it works, is because i have used it. The main reason you dont see aikido used in competition, is because the founder was against competition, and did not believe in it. In my opinion, and people may disagree and thats ok, most people should be glad that aikidoist's dont enter competitions.

Aikidoists don’t enter competitions because they would get killed, plain and simple. And please, refrain from using your personal experience as evidence... From what you’ve said, anyone with any clue can see you’ve no experience fighting.

[kljohnson]

obviously pstevens...your head is buried so deep in the ground you don't know what end is up. Did you know Aikido is not even ALLOWED in the UFC, for example?

A proper Aikido stance keep a person out of reach of the jab, unless the boxer is going to lean forward and put himself off balance, thus providing an opening.

I take it you are a boxer? HAHA That would explain why you seem to think a boxer can win so easily. Personally I think boxing is great if you want to beat the crap out of people who know nothing about self-defense. But when it comes to being an art of self defense......well i wont go there

Either way, in my mind the issue is closed, I know what I have done and seen. And you should perhaps take the time to research before you so ignorantly brush off a time tested martial art.

[pstevens]

obviously pstevens...your head is buried so deep in the ground you don't know what end is up. Did you know Aikido is not even ALLOWED in the UFC, for example?

Joint locks are not allowed in the UFC, NOT aikido. Big deal.... There are numerous aspects of many arts which aren't allowed.

A proper Aikido stance keep a person out of reach of the jab, unless the boxer is going to lean forward and put himself off balance, thus providing an opening.

Stance means nothing if the other guy has more mobility. Aikidoists stance isn't as mobile as a boxer.

I take it you are a boxer? HAHA That would explain why you seem to think a boxer can win so easily. Personally I think boxing is great if you want to beat the crap out of people who know nothing about self-defense. But when it comes to being an art of self defense......well i wont go there

Boxer or not, it doesn't change the fact that aikido is farce in comparison to boxing.

Either way, in my mind the issue is closed, I know what I have done and seen. And you should perhaps take the time to research before you so ignorantly brush off a time tested martial art.

That's right... Close your mind to reality too while your at it.

[jubaji]

Did you know Aikido is not even ALLOWED in the UFC, for example?

Oh, boy........................

[blitz]

Video tape an aikidoist vs a boxer!

[tntma]

Puahahahaha.... How do you expect to keep away from someone without throwing anything? It’s impossible, especially in a confined area. If what you mean is that the aikidoist will run away, then I believe it.



Aikidoists don’t enter competitions because they would get killed, plain and simple. And please, refrain from using your personal experience as evidence... From what you’ve said, anyone with any clue can see you’ve no experience fighting.

You obviously dont know to much about aikido or its techniques. You dont have to throw something to keep away from someone. Its called defense. Aikido is well known for this.

As far as competitions, lol, you can believe what you want.

As far as my credentials, I have been training in martial arts for 20 years, and competing in various forms of competition for 10 years. So I think I have quite a bit of fighting experience.

I do respect your beliefs, but the truth is we are never going to agree on this subject. I am tired of arguing this pointless thread. It is obviously going to lead nowhere.