Aikido vs boxing

[JkD187]

agreed 100%

[Uke]

Aikido is a limited art. Period. It was created to be that way. Ueshiba Sensei reached a point in his life when he felt as though killing was wrong, even in self defence. So, he changed his hard-styled Daito Ryu Aikijitsu into Aikido, the soft method of redirecting in order to reflect his newly acquired non-aggression philosophy. Its not meant to maim, break or kill the way he was originally trained. And the problem that the Aikido man would face is that Aikido movements are based off of an opponents aggressive, COMMITTED attacks. If a boxer jabs, the likelyhood of an aikido practitioner catching his arm on the fly are slim to none. If you've ever studied Aikido, you know you work off of energy directed at you. In boxing, you're taught never to overcommit to a strike so that you won't break your own balance. There lies the problem.

A boxer could jab an Aikido man all night if he had a fast jab. That's why if you watch Steven Segal, he has incorporated strikes, offensive and defensive to his syle. To be honest, his style has the grace of aikido, with the brutality of Daito Ryu Aikijitsu. While most of his fight scenes in movies are initiated with someone lunging at him, he does go offensive once in a blue moon by first kicking a shin, usually followed by a hammerfist to the nose or chin. That attack is supposed to prod the other guy into retaliating with an wild commited swing: perfect for an aikido counter.

But the question was about "pure" Aikido, not Daito Ryu Aikijitsu. I think an Aikido man would get very frustrated after getting popped in the face a dozen times with a well placed jab. As long as the boxer played it cool and fought from the outside and kept moving, he'd be the smart money. Sort of a Larry Holmes jabbing exhibition.

Start a new topic asking the same question about Daito Ryu Aikijitsu, and my reply will be different.

[danfaggella]

well, couldn't the aikido man go for a takedown that did not involve grabbing someone who is throwing a commited hard punch?

[BoarSpear]

well, couldn't the aikido man go for a takedown that did not involve grabbing someone who is throwing a commited hard punch?

oh you mean when the boxer quit trying to hurt him? or when the boxer slips on the aikido guys blood and he dives on him? And which aikido technique would that be that would work on a boxer when he wasnt punching hard? one you use when he is snoring hard??

[seppuku]

well, couldn't the aikido man go for a takedown that did not involve grabbing someone who is throwing a commited hard punch?

personal preference... im very opposed to going for a takedown if im being punched in the face... somehow i dont think running into a cross is a good idea. as to the practicality of catching punches, it can be done. sometimes. but its not a good thing to rely on. a boxer isnt going to unbalence himself enough to make taking him to the ground possible.
asdie from all that... someone trained and dedicated to aikido is not used to being punched in the head. at all. the boxer would cane him. to be honest, i dont think aikido has much practical application. if its all youve got and someone starts on you in the street, run like hell

[kljohnson]

personal preference... im very opposed to going for a takedown if im being punched in the face... somehow i dont think running into a cross is a good idea. as to the practicality of catching punches, it can be done. sometimes. but its not a good thing to rely on. a boxer isnt going to unbalence himself enough to make taking him to the ground possible.
asdie from all that... someone trained and dedicated to aikido is not used to being punched in the head. at all. the boxer would cane him. to be honest, i dont think aikido has much practical application. if its all youve got and someone starts on you in the street, run like hell

A skilled Aikidoist would likely move around the jabs, as a jab isn't suppsed do much but measure and help keep a person where you want them. <<A proper Aikido stance would likely make the jab ineffective.>> There is energy in every movement, and an Aikidoist uses your energy against you. If you move, there is an opportunity. It is simple to help you continue a motion you have started and re-direct it, and there are specific moves a person could use, like the heaven and earth throw or iri-minage, which can work for the jab, cross and power hand. Will they work every time? Probably not, but does anything work everytime? Does every jab land?

[medic06]

A skilled Aikidoist would likely move around the jabs, as a jab isn't suppsed do much but measure and help keep a person where you want them. <<A proper Aikido stance would likely make the jab ineffective.>> There is energy in every movement, and an Aikidoist uses your energy against you. If you move, there is an opportunity. It is simple to help you continue a motion you have started and re-direct it, and there are specific moves a person could use, like the heaven and earth throw or iri-minage, which can work for the jab, cross and power hand. Will they work every time? Probably not, but does anything work everytime? Does every jab land?

I have yet to run across an Aikidoist who could use the energy of a good jab against a good boxer.

[kljohnson]

I have yet to run across an Aikidoist who could use the energy of a good jab against a good boxer.

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. But I notice you mention a good jab and a good boxer, but not a good Aikidoist. This leads me to believe you haven't seen a Good Aikidoist. Because I have, and I've seen them, and have acctually myself used the techniques mentioned in my previous post, with a very high success rate. And yes, against a Good boxer with a Good jab.

I think some of the confusion in this thread is coming from people having a basic understanding of Aikido, when you first start the techniques you learn are primarily meant for lunging attacks, but the more you advance so does the art. Even to the point where your oponent doesn't really have to move, let alone throw a punch. For pete's sake, learn a little before making such unfounded remarks.

[medic06]

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. But I notice you mention a good jab and a good boxer, but not a good Aikidoist. This leads me to believe you haven't seen a Good Aikidoist. Because I have, and I've seen them, and have acctually myself used the techniques mentioned in my previous post, with a very high success rate. And yes, against a Good boxer with a Good jab.

I think some of the confusion in this thread is coming from people having a basic understanding of Aikido, when you first start the techniques you learn are primarily meant for lunging attacks, but the more you advance so does the art. Even to the point where your oponent doesn't really have to move, let alone throw a punch. For pete's sake, learn a little before making such unfounded remarks.

What makes you think I don't know anything about Aikido? I've studied it fairly extensively to help better understand my own art. If I don't have an understanding of Aikido then that means that the majority of Aikidoka have no idea about Aikido either. It shouldn't take 25 years to learn how to counter a jab

[medic06]

Don't get me wrong, I like Aikido and I think it has some great stuff. But it just feels like something is missing. . .

[tntma]

I have studdied Aikido for almost 20 years as well as juijitsu and teakwondo. Aikido is a very useful martial art. there are plenty techniques an aikidoist can use to defend against a good boxer with a good jab. even if an aikidoist does not know any techniques, he can keep away from the boxer till the boxer gets frustrated and comes in with a harder technique, then put him down hard. Im not trying to start an aguement here, just wanted to say my 2 cents the only reason i know it works, is because i have used it. The main reason you dont see aikido used in competition, is because the founder was against competition, and did not believe in it. In my opinion, and people may disagree and thats ok, most people should be glad that aikidoist's dont enter competitions.
thanks for giving me my opinion
Tim

[jubaji]

oh you mean when the boxer quit trying to hurt him? or when the boxer slips on the aikido guys blood and he dives on him? And which aikido technique would that be that would work on a boxer when he wasnt punching hard? one you use when he is snoring hard??

There you go again, bashing the TMAs.

[medic06]

I have studdied Aikido for almost 20 years as well as juijitsu and teakwondo. Aikido is a very useful martial art. there are plenty techniques an aikidoist can use to defend against a good boxer with a good jab. even if an aikidoist does not know any techniques, he can keep away from the boxer till the boxer gets frustrated and comes in with a harder technique, then put him down hard. Im not trying to start an aguement here, just wanted to say my 2 cents the only reason i know it works, is because i have used it. The main reason you dont see aikido used in competition, is because the founder was against competition, and did not believe in it. In my opinion, and people may disagree and thats ok, most people should be glad that aikidoist's dont enter competitions.
thanks for giving me my opinion
Tim

. . . and there are plenty of techniques a boxer has to counter an Aikidoist

[tntma]

LOL Im sorry but a boxer is quite limited on being able to do anything against an aikidoist. I do believe that every martial art has something to offer and each martial art is great for some one. But in my opinion, if you attack an aikidoist, you have already lost the fight.
Tim

[blitz]

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