Throwing

[BoarSpear]

How is it a bad idea to learn wrestling cuz some guy got choked out by a flash light???? im sure there is a defense for that somewhere in the traditional arts huh yea base the effectiveness of a "style" on a person dying cuz he made a wrong choice......2 people who did ring sport die on the street and you all tma people cream all over it.

dude the sport guys won some fights in the ring with RULES and declared themselves superior to TMA's...Dead sport people in the street says youre wrong...Yeah he was choked with a flashlight...hmmm sort of like a stick eh? yeah youre right NO Tma's deal with that

you cant pull things out of your tolbox that aint there...if a dude with 110 lb weight advantage couldnt win using wrestling on the STREET what makes you think its an effective weapon? losing a fight when you are armed and 110lbs bigger than your opponent, doesnt exactly speak volumes for its effectiveness as a self defense system.

[JkD187]

Circumstances dictate tactics.....all i have to say.....street and sport again....yes the street and the ring are two very different places we all know this...using a flashlight to choke someone is common sense like come on now...you dont need military training to do that buddy....obviously this guy must of now been too smart...judging from the vid the kid looked like he belonged in a special ed class.....back to my circumstances....tactics will change but the way the tech is executed will not....a punch in the ring is the same on the street just the background scenery changes ....people tend to defend their beliefs...being a trad guy you will try and dig on "sports" and i will try to dig on "tma" but heres the thing.....all you ever talk about is weapons....weapons weapons weapons...and how empty hands vs weapons weapons win....obviously man whats wrong with you thas all you say...no one said bjj wil help u with a knife or gun or a flashlight lol....but in a one on one empty hand situation boxing and jiu jitsu or judo or w.e is all your guna need....now this is for normal civilians...obviously cops/bouncers will need different tactics and so will soldiers.....but civilians like me and about 95% of the world who arent scumbbags who go out looking for a fight wouldnt have to worry about it.

[BoarSpear]

They can be used in the street if they are modified to a certain extent. In the street you don't use snap kicks and circle around your oponent you try your best to use the moves that you have learned that will keep him off of you in the fastest time period. So a choke from bjj can't kill a man? I'm pretty sure it can. Boar, you gotta remember these ring sports were once martial arts used for self defense just like any TMA.

Yeah and alot of drag queens used to be MEN...Once you change it to a sport, the mindset changes...thats what gets people killed...the techniques could be modified but the ring mentality doesnt change. and sure chokes kill dude...see the current discussion

[BoarSpear]

I do? Where, you lying sack of shit?

Oh only every post that isnt one of these

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[JkD187]

Yeah and alot of drag queens used to be MEN...Once you change it to a sport, the mindset changes...thats what gets people killed...the techniques could be modified but the ring mentality doesnt change. and sure chokes kill dude...see the current discussion

Changing your mindset is not that hard....and once again you are judging the effectiveness of "wrestling" in the street cuz some guy got killed...100lbs aint guna help you when someone is jammin a flashlight into your throat...if you have ever seen any streetfight vids or felony fight videos or streetfigts live...about 95% of the time weapons are not involved...so what dose that leave us with.

[BoarSpear]

Circumstances dictate tactics.....all i have to say.....street and sport again....yes the street and the ring are two very different places we all know this...using a flashlight to choke someone is common sense like come on now...you dont need military training to do that buddy....obviously this guy must of now been too smart...judging from the vid the kid looked like he belonged in a special ed class.....back to my circumstances....tactics will change but the way the tech is executed will not....a punch in the ring is the same on the street just the background scenery changes ....people tend to defend their beliefs...being a trad guy you will try and dig on "sports" and i will try to dig on "tma" but heres the thing.....all you ever talk about is weapons....weapons weapons weapons...and how empty hands vs weapons weapons win....obviously man whats wrong with you thas all you say...no one said bjj wil help u with a knife or gun or a flashlight lol....but in a one on one empty hand situation boxing and jiu jitsu or judo or w.e is all your guna need....now this is for normal civilians...obviously cops/bouncers will need different tactics and so will soldiers.....but civilians like me and about 95% of the world who arent scumbbags who go out looking for a fight wouldnt have to worry about it.

dude, We agree, sports are fine for most people. they are all you want or need if youre an average Joe. however this NONSENSE that gets spouted on this forum of sports being superior to military h2h and TMA is nonsense...

and please dont make me quote all the idiots who claim BJJ can break my arms and take my knives...or "Kill navy seals in streetfights"

look at my early posts...i didnt start giving you shit..i tried posting in the CMA forums only to have sports players talk trash and make fun of them...so here we are discussing DEAD sport players in street fights...

[JkD187]

Dude i never said that "sports" were supperior to anything when it came to weapons..only hand to hand...cuz its been documented many times before.O and my friend i just checked and on page 5 and you started this arguement with this statement

hey eyegouge wrestling must be pretty effective in the street. When the wrestler (who was armed with a maglite) with the 110 lb advantage was killed in the street fight by the empty handed soldier no charges were pressed...so someone thought it was dangerous to people, other than the guy who died when he tried it in the street.

[BoarSpear]

Changing your mindset is not that hard....and once again you are judging the effectiveness of "wrestling" in the street cuz some guy got killed...100lbs aint guna help you when someone is jammin a flashlight into your throat...if you have ever seen any streetfight vids or felony fight videos or streetfigts live...about 95% of the time weapons are not involved...so what dose that leave us with.

changing your mindset isnt that hard? REALLY? Ever been in the military? Ever had a knife pulled on you?...Ever been cut with a knife by someone else? you might find that your ring mindset is NOT going to prepare you for that...trust me its a totally different mindset...

[BoarSpear]

Dude i never said that "sports" were supperior to anything when it came to weapons..only hand to hand...cuz its been documented many times before.O and my friend i just checked and on page 5 and you started this arguement with this statement

hey eyegouge wrestling must be pretty effective in the street. When the wrestler (who was armed with a maglite) with the 110 lb advantage was killed in the street fight by the empty handed soldier no charges were pressed...so someone thought it was dangerous to people, other than the guy who died when he tried it in the street.

my early post in the forums dude not this thread ...Yeah ever sense the MMA guys would KILL a navy SEAL in a steet fight discussions I have had little tolerance for the childish bullshit.
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[JkD187]

changing your mindset isnt that hard? REALLY? Ever been in the military? Ever had a knife pulled on you?...Ever been cut with a knife by someone else? you might find that your ring mindset is NOT going to prepare you for that...trust me its a totally different mindset...

Well a normal joe like myself will not have to worry bout knifes...and if i come up against one ill run....if i cant run ill do w.e i can till i find a way to run.Everything i say hasto do with empty hands not weapons so i think we misunderstand each other....so w.e i say deals with empty hands brother.

[blitz]

Yeah and alot of drag queens used to be MEN...Once you change it to a sport, the mindset changes...thats what gets people killed...the techniques could be modified but the ring mentality doesnt change. and sure chokes kill dude...see the current discussion

So if you have a mindset to defend yourself or your family you will be able to defend yourself using sports techniques. Its a mistake to use any technique you learn in sports on the street, I know thats a fact. Sports have rules, the street dosen't but it all goes down on the person as always. If he's dumb and uses the wrong technique, its not the art's fault its his, and he probably needs a reality check. Military H2H is good ofcourse but if the guys using sports techniques knows that to use hes going to be a hard opponent .

[BoarSpear]

So if you have a mindset to defend yourself or your family you will be able to defend yourself using sports techniques. Its a mistake to use any technique you learn in sports on the street, I know thats a fact. Sports have rules, the street dosen't but it all goes down on the person as always. If he's dumb and uses the wrong technique, its not the art's fault its his, and he probably needs a reality check. Military H2H is good ofcourse but if the guys using sports techniques knows that to use hes going to be a hard opponent .

if you use the wrong technique in the wrong place, the training you had was to blame, or the way you practiced it was...If you are trained that loss means death, you pay more attention and you certainly fight and TRAIN harder than those who fight for fun and fame. sport techniques are designed with safety in mind, those techniques primary intentended use IS NOT to cause death...military H2H is just the opposite.

If you try to beat up or submit someone trained to kill (who is trying), and all you know how to do is compete in the ring, youre gonna die.

[BoarSpear]

Well a normal joe like myself will not have to worry bout knifes...and if i come up against one ill run....if i cant run ill do w.e i can till i find a way to run.Everything i say hasto do with empty hands not weapons so i think we misunderstand each other....so w.e i say deals with empty hands brother.

fine man you train for fights that are fair...i dont BTW that running from a knife bit is WAY over played...Exactly how far away is the movie bad guy when you imagine him lifting the blade overhead and making that slow walk in your direction?...i seem to remember one MMA forum member stating he would run get his car and run over the guy with the knife...that aint reality...and it sums up my whole point.

[JkD187]

if you use the wrong technique in the wrong place, the training you had was to blame, or the way you practiced it was...If you are trained that loss means death, you pay more attention and you certainly fight and TRAIN harder than those who fight for fun and fame. sport techniques are designed with safety in mind, those techniques primary intentended use IS NOT to cause death...military H2H is just the opposite.

If you try to beat up or submit someone trained to kill (who is trying), and all you know how to do is compete in the ring, youre gonna die.

This is asuming you put the techs on nicely....yes the moves are trained for safety so neither one gets hurt....in the street you woulnt be nice...you will jerk the move on fast and viscouscly and something will break with ease......you say that the marines are the opposite.....how do they train these techs then...im sure they dont actually kill someone with them....they simulate it....just like we put it on nicely so no one gets hurt...u simulate it so no one dies..when it comes to the real thing we do it with different intentions...the techs are exactly the same though.

[JkD187]

fine man you train for fights that are fair...i dont BTW that running from a knife bit is WAY over played...Exactly how far away is the movie bad guy when you imagine him lifting the blade overhead and making that slow walk in your direction?...i seem to remember one MMA forum member stating he would run get his car and run over the guy with the knife...that aint reality...and it sums up my whole point.

Awarness is the most important thing in those situations...if some one came up to me id make sure i watch where his hands are and what his body language is telling me...if i see even a slight motion towards the lower waist or anywhere else a weapon can be concealed ill make sure to get out of this situation as soon as i can.I dont train for the street....its a waste of time for me...the life i live enables me to not have to worry about being shanked...i train for comp and fun and to stay in shape....i lead a good life so i dun even need to worry in the near 20 years ive been alive no one remotely came close to pullin a knife out on me so i must be doing something right.