judo or ju-jitsu?

[seanyseanybean]

i do free fighting in TSD so i know stand up fighting okay.

free fighting (if you dont know) is basically semicontact sparring to the body, but punches and kicks to the head dont make contact, but are more "implied" so you make your oponent aware that you beat there guard but stop just before you make impact.

Kind of embarrasing but, i asked my G/F about doing fullcontact at JKD and had a pretty hard time persuading her, as she doesnt want me to get hurt
so i'm not sure if its really an option.

(before you say, I'm not whipped, i just respect her opinion )

[JkD187]

i do free fighting in TSD so i know stand up fighting okay.

free fighting (if you dont know) is basically semicontact sparring to the body, but punches and kicks to the head dont make contact, but are more "implied" so you make your oponent aware that you beat there guard but stop just before you make impact.

Kind of embarrasing but, i asked my G/F about doing fullcontact at JKD and had a pretty hard time persuading her, as she doesnt want me to get hurt
so i'm not sure if its really an option.

(before you say, I'm not whipped, i just respect her opinion

Whipped!!! j/p however back on subject.....tsd free fighting and full contact are two totally different beasts.The difference between semi-contact and full contact boxing or muay thai is like buying 2 cars for the price of 1.If you have not sparred full contact alot you cant stand up that good.Im not trying to knock you its just a fact of combat.All you gotta do it ask a boxer to go full contact with you and you will see the deifference....dont just take some guys word for it on the computer....espically mine .

[Sagacious Lu]

I've heard people attack whole styles because they "don't spar" but I really wonder if that doesn't depend more on the teacher and the school than the style as a whole. I've heard people make that claim about kung fu schools; I don't know what school(s) they've been to but they wouldn't say that if they'd ever visited our wu guan. I've never been to a jjj school but I'm willing to bet that Kazuhiro Hamanaka spars every now and then I say don't listen to what people say, go and see for yourself.


*Edit* I agree completely with JKD's post above this one.

[seanyseanybean]

no, i do understand, i am worried i wont be able to take a hit to face. It has definately taught me the basics of fighting though, like timing, footwork, combinations, dropping an opponents guard etc. But yeah i do feel like i havent put them into practice properly.

In the case of not being able to attend JKD, which would be the next best thing in your opinion? Judo or KJJ?

[JkD187]

id go with judo....to round out your striking skills.

[pstevens]

In the case of not being able to attend JKD, which would be the next best thing in your opinion? Judo or KJJ?

Well, since you don't want to get hurt... Go with jiu-jitsu... Judo can be a pain!

[seanyseanybean]

Well, since you don't want to get hurt... Go with jiu-jitsu... Judo can be a pain!

no, i dont have a problem with pain. In fact i feel in desperate need of conditioning. Just i dunno if i'd be able to persuade my G/F to let me get pummeled in the face by some guys evry week.
She wont mind if i do judo though.

[BoarSpear]

First of all, Judo is NOT JJJ without the strikes. JJJ has many styles, very few of which resemble Judo. Personally speaking, Judo is better, as it stresses "live" sparring, and in some cases, newaza (ground grappling). In contrast, most, if not all, JJJ teaches pre-arranged techniques with little "live" sparring.

I tend to agree with JkD187... If you're truly interested in a complete training program, why not go with JKD. I know you feel like you're confident in your punching, but thinking you know boxing and actually knowing boxing, are two completely different things. I have trained with several people who come from JKD backgrounds and they are well-versed in many areas of martial arts, including MT, BJJ, Boxing and Filipino arts. I seriously doubt you will cover such a range of knowledge with TSD and Judo or JJJ.

I said basically...if you aint trying to teach a friggin history lesson...jjj contains the strikes...some people say jjj is dead and only judo survived.
some people will say judo is for sport...JJJ is for the street...its ALL politics like i said go to the school see what they do. It doesnt matter what the judo or JJJ people who wanna argue what it is and isnt say...it only matters what the one you can reach teaches, go look.


There are people who spar to submission with JJJ just for the record...Im one of them

and yes JKD is a nice look at a little of alot of different things...however throwing isnt one of its specialties...yes you can learn dumog etc...but he asked about judo vs JJJ, not if JKD was better than everything else for self defense.

[JkD187]

no, i dont have a problem with pain. In fact i feel in desperate need of conditioning. Just i dunno if i'd be able to persuade my G/F to let me get pummeled in the face by some guys evry week.
She wont mind if i do judo though.

lol just do what most desperate guys like myself do.....sneak out late at night to some sweaty gym with a bunch of guys with red things on their hands and just punch each other while moving your feet....and the occassional hugs .

[Hardball]

no, i dont have a problem with pain. In fact i feel in desperate need of conditioning. Just i dunno if i'd be able to persuade my G/F to let me get pummeled in the face by some guys evry week.
She wont mind if i do judo though.

Learn defense and you won't get the crap beat out of you. How you ever going to learn to fight if you don't spar. Haven't you ever heard of blocks, parries, ducking, slipping, bobbing, weaving and footwork?

[pstevens]

I said basically...if you aint trying to teach a friggin history lesson...jjj contains the strikes...some people say jjj is dead and only judo survived.
some people will say judo is for sport...JJJ is for the street...its ALL politics like i said go to the school see what they do. It doesnt matter what the judo or JJJ people who wanna argue what it is and isnt say...it only matters what the one you can reach teaches, go look.

Puahahaha.... Y'know Boar, despite your cynicism, I like your sense of humor... Have a Happy Thanksgiving...

[seanyseanybean]

Learn defense and you won't get the crap beat out of you. How you ever going to learn to fight if you don't spar. Haven't you ever heard of blocks, parries, ducking, slipping, bobbing, weaving and footwork?

yea i learn and use all of those in free fighting. i dont take it for granted that i'm not getting hit in the face, and i know that "that punch that just slipped my guard" would have KO'd me. So i try damn hard not to let it happen. And taking hits the body hurts morre than enough to make me learn how to avoid it.

[seanyseanybean]

though i do want to spar. I have asked a guy who does contact sparring at Mantis kung fu, who i work with to spar with me.

[aseepish]

Taking a 1 pm striking class and then a 3 pm grappling class will not make you a complete fighter if there is no INTEGRATION of the two skills. Regardless of whether you take JJJ or Judo, you'll need something to teach you how to get from striking range through to standing grappling.

JKD is not about techniques. It's about developing the attributes needed to be competent in all ranges of combat, and the ability to flow smoothly from range to range. The techniques can be from any art, provided you can make them work under pressure. Testing your techniques tells you what to absorb and what to reject. The instructors typically have some suggestions as to which arts offer the best techniques, but it's really up to you to do your own research.

Note: you won't be doing full contact sparring every class. You will drill your way up to full contact sparring in a progressive manner over a period of weeks, if not months.

If you are dead-set on only choosing between Judo and JJJ, I would go for Judo - it will give you a solid foundation for BJJ if you are interested in taking that in the future.

[EmptyneSs]

didnt bruce lee say if u saw anyone advertising JKD as a style to completely avoid it?

i checked out a kempo ju jitsu school near my house over here once. the head instructor seemed like a douche and he told me there is no sparring in his academy. his logic was that u if u hold a gun to someones head, u dont need to pull it in order to know whats gonna happen. i walked outta that place and never came back. thank god i found a good mma gym to train at were there are martial artists and fighters from all styles and backrounds who i can get knowledge from and train with.