Shorinji Kempo Video

[Kimpatsu]

Ok, so what's a good/reliable/known form of kenpo?

Kenpo or kempo? Different arts spell the word different ways. I'm a Shorinji Kenshi (i.e., practitioner of Shorinji Kempo) myself, but there's also Nippon Kempo, Kenpo (with an "n") Karate, Byrakurenkan Kempo (Karate), and then on the Chinese side, Shaolin Chuan'fa, Chuka Chuan'fa, etc., all of which write "kempo/kenpo" with the same characters.

[Thai Bri]

But, of course, some Japanese guy basically ripped off Chinese methods, right?

[Mr. Arieson]

Further, there are no true ninjutsu schools today; ninjutsu was a medieval system of assassination that died out along with the Samurai during the Meiji Restoration.

Really? Why do stupid statements like this keep coming up? I mean, so called "experts" keep on throwing this statement out like it is the truth!

A simple google search will show at least two systems, Bujinkan and Genbukan!

It's like saying "there are no true swordfighting schools today because Kenjutsu was a medieval system"....

Totally ridiculous!

And by the way, I am taking Bujinkan right now, so if it is fake, please let me know so I can save money!

I take Bujinkan for self-defense and for fun. I like the historical aspects of it as well. (I am also taking Karate right now for the discipline, exercise and spirituality. Next year I plan on trying Brazilian Jiu-jitsu)

Why the need to keep knocking Ninjutsu? Huh? Huh? Huh? It is an art form that is fairly similar to silat, kempo and krav maga, with weapons and warfare thrown in. Do all you people who knock it only search as far as Bullshido Kim and Van Dork? Read up on Hatsumi...he is one of the martial arts' legends!

Jiminy crickets!!!

[SwissPrecision]

A simple google search will show ...

Yes, the key word beeing google search ... I am sure the Internet provides a lot of old ninja secrets. The medival ninjutsu has died a long time ago.Todays ninjutsu is a comercial/semi sport/game play of the old ninjutsu. And even Hatsumi-sensei sayed he modyfied the old ninjutsu to become more 'user friendly'

[Mr. Arieson]

And what Martial art is 100% pure, exactly as taught hundreds of years ago?


KImpatsu said "there are no true ninjitsu schools anymore" and I responded that there are at least two known systems right being practiced right now.

What did he mean by "true"? And could I come back with "there are no true jiu-jitsu" schools anymore?

The Gracies modified it, and it became even better, Jigoro Kano modified it, and it also became better....

What bothers me are people who need to knock a legitimate martial art, without knowing anything at all about it, OTHER then what they see in movies. Quit insulting Ninjitsu, go take an actual class and when the instructor has your ass on the ground with his hand smashing your wrist, and your arm practically broken off...then tell me how real or "true" it is!

[Kimpatsu]

Really? Why do stupid statements like this keep coming up? I mean, so called "experts" keep on throwing this statement out like it is the truth!

A simple google search will show at least two systems, Bujinkan and Genbukan!

really? How many feudal princes have either school assassinated?
Their uniforms, training methods, and purpose have nothing to do with ninjutsu, so how can they be called ninjutsu? Have you broken into any castles lately?
Bujinkan and Gembukan are karate/kobudo in black dogi.

[Kimpatsu]

But, of course, some Japanese guy basically ripped off Chinese methods, right?

That's a very simplistic view. Firstly, what parts of howa were ripped off? Secondly, what parts of seiho? Thirdly, "ripped off" implies an underhead theft of techniques, whereas Kaiso So Doshin was actually made head of the Giwamondan by his predecessor, in a ceremony at the Shaolin Temple. And the codification was all his own work.

[Kimpatsu]

And what Martial art is 100% pure, exactly as taught hundreds of years ago? KImpatsu said "there are no true ninjitsu schools anymore" and I responded that there are at least two known systems right being practiced right now.

What did he mean by "true"? And could I come back with "there are no true jiu-jitsu" schools anymore?

There probably aren't.

The Gracies modified it, and it became even better, Jigoro Kano modified it, and it also became better....

How can what the Gracies do be called ju-jutsu? They aren't even Japanese. When Royce Gracie gets in the ring (another ju-jutsu no-no, BTW), he wears boxing shorts, not a dogi. How in the world can that be called ju-jutsu? And Kano never pretended to be teaching jujutsu; he called it judo, showing that he had left the past behind.

What bothers me are people who need to knock a legitimate martial art, without knowing anything at all about it, OTHER then what they see in movies. Quit insulting Ninjitsu, go take an actual class and when the instructor has your ass on the ground with his hand smashing your wrist, and your arm practically broken off...then tell me how real or "true" it is!

Nice empty threat. Further, interesting that you consider a factual observation to be an insult. But where I am insulted is your statement "...without knowing anything at all about it". I know more about it than you. How long have you lived here? When did you write your MA thesis on MA (now, that's an interesting sentence...)? Where did you learn to read Japanese, so you could peruse archives? When did you visit the ninja houses in Iga Ueno and near Lake Biwa? Or, could it be that you've never done any of these things? Say not so!

[Mr. Arieson]

Your absolutely right...I was crazy to doubt your self proclaimed expertise on this matter. There is no such thing as "true" ninjutsu...therefore, since your word is final on this, there is no need to ever discuss Ninjustu on this forum again. The matter has been settled once and for all. Anyone taking Bujinkan or Genbukan can go ahead and quit right now!

[Kimpatsu]

Your absolutely right...I was crazy to doubt your self proclaimed expertise on this matter. There is no such thing as "true" ninjutsu...therefore, since your word is final on this, there is no need to ever discuss Ninjustu on this forum again. The matter has been settled once and for all. Anyone taking Bujinkan or Genbukan can go ahead and quit right now!

Not "self-proclaimed"; my expertise is proclaimed at the universities were I studied. And don't just take my word for it; speak to the curators of the ninja museum at Iga Ueno, all of whom find modern claims to ninjutsu a joke. Alternatively, you could answer me this: why are there no Japanese students of ninjutsu? Why are they all Westerners? Ask anybody here, and they laugh at the idea of "modern ninjutsu" as an oxymoron. As you know, having lived here for so many years, and being able to read the language.
Oh, wait...

[Mr. Arieson]

People like you just make me sick. You throw out some terms easily researched by anyone, and come off as though what you say is the verifyable truth. Dude, this is the internet, which means anyone can say anything. You can lie about your expertise, your experience and even where you are from. This forum is filled with people like you, who are more then likely in their teens, and with little or no real martial arts experiences. I, on the other hand, am honest about being a beginner. I claim no extensive "university" experience. Frankly, a post like yours came up a while back from a person "Robert G" who also came off like the weary scholar, chuckling his head sadly and once again enlightening all of us that there is no such thing as "Ninjutsu". People like you make absurd claims, because you have strong yet un-informed opinons, and you bash other people's choices in what martial arts they take. I do not think there are any martial art forms that are bullshit, or not real, or not true...I even think TKD has merits, in that it puts you in great physical shape. I have no need to laugh at other people's art forms, or try to make them feel bad because I want to feel superior.

You say that there are "NO" japanese students of ninjutsu. Being that a lot of the seminars/trainings and camps are actually held in Japan, by Hatsumi (Who is Japanese) I am quite sure you are full of horsecrap. And anyone reading this knows that like most people here, you are more then likely a 19 year old idiot, not from Japan. But even if I am wrong, I could care less. If you were truly a grand martial artist, university scholar and all around genius, you would not be posting on this forum. You would not be wasting your time. You are a major bullshit artist!! I know you want me to think you are a learned scholar, speaking with the curators of the ninjustu museums enough to know them personally. Post a picture of you, with one of the curators, with a recent date on it. Keep in mind that we have busted several poseurs like Mattbla who posted pictures off the first page of google. Since you are posing as an expert, we should see the proof, or shut up and quit pontificating.Shouldn't be too hard, as you are already in Japan, right?

[Kimpatsu]

People like you just make me sick.

You think I care about the uninformed ravings of those like you?

You throw out some terms easily researched by anyone, and come off as though what you say is the verifyable truth.

It IS verifiable. Everything I've said.

Dude, this is the internet, which means anyone can say anything.

But only those of us who are actually educated have something worth saying.

You can lie about your expertise, your experience and even where you are from. This forum is filled with people like you, who are more then likely in their teens, and with little or no real martial arts experiences.

Actually, you're the liar. I'm in my 40s, have over 20 years experience of MA, speak Japanese, and have an advanced degree in Japanese history. How old are you, little one?

I, on the other hand, am honest about being a beginner. I claim no extensive "university" experience. Frankly, a post like yours came up a while back from a person "Robert G" who also came off like the weary scholar, chuckling his head sadly and once again enlightening all of us that there is no such thing as "Ninjutsu". People like you make absurd claims, because you have strong yet un-informed opinons, and you bash other people's choices in what martial arts they take.

My opinions are very well-informed; far more than yours. How long did you actually spend at a Japanese university, for example?

I do not think there are any martial art forms that are bullshit, or not real, or not true...

That's the egalitarian argument of someone who cannot reason. Are you really claiming there's merit to kateda, or KIXA, or Yellow Bamboo?

I even think TKD has merits, in that it puts you in great physical shape. I have no need to laugh at other people's art forms, or try to make them feel bad because I want to feel superior.

I have no desire to "feel superior"; I do find your claim that "EVEN TKD has merits", because comapred to Bujinkan, TKD is awesome. At least it's a real MA.

You say that there are "NO" japanese students of ninjutsu. Being that a lot of the seminars/trainings and camps are actually held in Japan, by Hatsumi (Who is Japanese) I am quite sure you are full of horsecrap.

Have you ever actually attended one? I have, as a freelance journalist. The only Japanese there was Hatsumi. The rest were gaijin; very strange, for a camp held right here in Japan.

And anyone reading this knows that like most people here, you are more then likely a 19 year old idiot, not from Japan.

You really do show your ignorance there. I'm a 41YO Shorinji Kenshi with voer 21 years experienec, and I really am a professional Japanese translaotr. Yes, really.

But even if I am wrong, I could care less.

IOW, you DO care. Or did you mistakenly mean to say that you "couldn't care less"...?

If you were truly a grand martial artist, university scholar and all around genius, you would not be posting on this forum.

IOW, you admit that posting here is a waste of time? The nwhat are you doing here?!

You would not be wasting your time.

Unlike you, I do not think teaching people the truth is a waste of time.

You are a major bullshit artist!!

That is a personal subjective opinion with nothing to back it up. Turn it around: how can I NOT be telling the truth, when I speak Japanese, have lived here for 13 years, have advanced degrees in the very subject under discussion, and work as a professional translator? I.e., how can you--or anyone on this board--gainsay me?!

I know you want me to think you are a learned scholar, speaking with the curators of the ninjustu museums enough to know them personally. Post a picture of you, with one of the curators, with a recent date on it. Keep in mind that we have busted several poseurs like Mattbla who posted pictures off the first page of google. Since you are posing as an expert, we should see the proof, or shut up and quit pontificating.Shouldn't be too hard, as you are already in Japan, right?

I live in Tokyo, not Iga Ueno, moron. Post a picture of yourself visting Mt. Rushmore, why don't you? If you want a recent pic of me in Japan, however (The first pics shows me winning bronze for embu at the Kawasaki Taikai last November; the second is the banner with announcing the event. Note all the Japanese people present):

[Mr. Arieson]

I said pictures of you, the learned scholar, standing with the curator of the Ninja museum, not pictures of someone in a gym.

I don't need to post a picture of Me in front of Mt. Rushmore, dolt. I am not the one that said something stupid like " There is no true Kempo" or "No japanese study Kempo"....you make stupid statements like that, go ahead an expect to be called on it. Neither of those pictures prove a damn thing. We have plently of Japanese letters on the walls of my Dojo, (where I am a beginner, by the way). Oh, and one more thing Moron, I am just turning 41 years old myself. And by the way Liar, I happen to think Kempo is probably the most effective martial art out there. If I wasn't taking Bujinkan, that would be my other choice. I have no need to knock it, however, just because it was invented by a Hawaiian. I could give a shit who invented it, or how pure it is, or how many Japanese take it. All I know is that Kempo is effective, end of story..and so it Bujinkan. But, if you really were an expert, you would already know that, and would not make absurd statements. PS, anyone can claim to be anything on this forum. How can anyone really prove it?. You can throw out all the bullshit you want about having an advanced degree, being a translator, shitting piles of pure gold, whatever dude! It's meaningless when you say that "No japanese study ninjustu" Hatsumi is the soke of Bujinkan, so that counts as AT LEAST ONE PERSON!

Your advanced degree's are really doing you a lot of good, huh Mattbla??

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

And Kano never pretended to be teaching jujutsu; he called it judo, showing that he had left the past behind.

Um, Kano did teach jujitsu. The name was changed when the Japanese government recognized his style and the new goals he was pursuing.

[Thai Bri]

That's a very simplistic view. Firstly, what parts of howa were ripped off? Secondly, what parts of seiho? Thirdly, "ripped off" implies an underhead theft of techniques, whereas Kaiso So Doshin was actually made head of the Giwamondan by his predecessor, in a ceremony at the Shaolin Temple. And the codification was all his own work.

You know nothing of the oriental arts, and even less about the Japanese.