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Originally posted by KimpatsuFurther, there are no true ninjutsu schools today; ninjutsu was a medieval system of assassination that died out along with the Samurai during the Meiji Restoration.
Really? Why do stupid statements like this keep coming up? I mean, so called "experts" keep on throwing this statement out like it is the truth!
A simple google search will show at least two systems, Bujinkan and Genbukan!
It's like saying "there are no true swordfighting schools today because Kenjutsu was a medieval system"....
Totally ridiculous!
And by the way, I am taking Bujinkan right now, so if it is fake, please let me know so I can save money!
I take Bujinkan for self-defense and for fun. I like the historical aspects of it as well. (I am also taking Karate right now for the discipline, exercise and spirituality. Next year I plan on trying Brazilian Jiu-jitsu)
Why the need to keep knocking Ninjutsu? Huh? Huh? Huh? It is an art form that is fairly similar to silat, kempo and krav maga, with weapons and warfare thrown in. Do all you people who knock it only search as far as Bullshido Kim and Van Dork? Read up on Hatsumi...he is one of the martial arts' legends!
Jiminy crickets!!!
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Originally posted by Mr. AriesonA simple google search will show ...
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And what Martial art is 100% pure, exactly as taught hundreds of years ago?
KImpatsu said "there are no true ninjitsu schools anymore" and I responded that there are at least two known systems right being practiced right now.
What did he mean by "true"? And could I come back with "there are no true jiu-jitsu" schools anymore?
The Gracies modified it, and it became even better, Jigoro Kano modified it, and it also became better....
What bothers me are people who need to knock a legitimate martial art, without knowing anything at all about it, OTHER then what they see in movies. Quit insulting Ninjitsu, go take an actual class and when the instructor has your ass on the ground with his hand smashing your wrist, and your arm practically broken off...then tell me how real or "true" it is!
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Originally posted by Mr. AriesonReally? Why do stupid statements like this keep coming up? I mean, so called "experts" keep on throwing this statement out like it is the truth!
A simple google search will show at least two systems, Bujinkan and Genbukan!
Their uniforms, training methods, and purpose have nothing to do with ninjutsu, so how can they be called ninjutsu? Have you broken into any castles lately?
Bujinkan and Gembukan are karate/kobudo in black dogi.
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Originally posted by Thai BriBut, of course, some Japanese guy basically ripped off Chinese methods, right?
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Originally posted by Mr. AriesonAnd what Martial art is 100% pure, exactly as taught hundreds of years ago? KImpatsu said "there are no true ninjitsu schools anymore" and I responded that there are at least two known systems right being practiced right now.
What did he mean by "true"? And could I come back with "there are no true jiu-jitsu" schools anymore?
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonThe Gracies modified it, and it became even better, Jigoro Kano modified it, and it also became better....
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonWhat bothers me are people who need to knock a legitimate martial art, without knowing anything at all about it, OTHER then what they see in movies. Quit insulting Ninjitsu, go take an actual class and when the instructor has your ass on the ground with his hand smashing your wrist, and your arm practically broken off...then tell me how real or "true" it is!
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Your absolutely right...I was crazy to doubt your self proclaimed expertise on this matter. There is no such thing as "true" ninjutsu...therefore, since your word is final on this, there is no need to ever discuss Ninjustu on this forum again. The matter has been settled once and for all. Anyone taking Bujinkan or Genbukan can go ahead and quit right now!
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Originally posted by Mr. AriesonYour absolutely right...I was crazy to doubt your self proclaimed expertise on this matter. There is no such thing as "true" ninjutsu...therefore, since your word is final on this, there is no need to ever discuss Ninjustu on this forum again. The matter has been settled once and for all. Anyone taking Bujinkan or Genbukan can go ahead and quit right now!
Oh, wait...
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People like you just make me sick. You throw out some terms easily researched by anyone, and come off as though what you say is the verifyable truth. Dude, this is the internet, which means anyone can say anything. You can lie about your expertise, your experience and even where you are from. This forum is filled with people like you, who are more then likely in their teens, and with little or no real martial arts experiences. I, on the other hand, am honest about being a beginner. I claim no extensive "university" experience. Frankly, a post like yours came up a while back from a person "Robert G" who also came off like the weary scholar, chuckling his head sadly and once again enlightening all of us that there is no such thing as "Ninjutsu". People like you make absurd claims, because you have strong yet un-informed opinons, and you bash other people's choices in what martial arts they take. I do not think there are any martial art forms that are bullshit, or not real, or not true...I even think TKD has merits, in that it puts you in great physical shape. I have no need to laugh at other people's art forms, or try to make them feel bad because I want to feel superior.
You say that there are "NO" japanese students of ninjutsu. Being that a lot of the seminars/trainings and camps are actually held in Japan, by Hatsumi (Who is Japanese) I am quite sure you are full of horsecrap. And anyone reading this knows that like most people here, you are more then likely a 19 year old idiot, not from Japan. But even if I am wrong, I could care less. If you were truly a grand martial artist, university scholar and all around genius, you would not be posting on this forum. You would not be wasting your time. You are a major bullshit artist!! I know you want me to think you are a learned scholar, speaking with the curators of the ninjustu museums enough to know them personally. Post a picture of you, with one of the curators, with a recent date on it. Keep in mind that we have busted several poseurs like Mattbla who posted pictures off the first page of google. Since you are posing as an expert, we should see the proof, or shut up and quit pontificating.Shouldn't be too hard, as you are already in Japan, right?
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Originally posted by Mr. AriesonPeople like you just make me sick.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonYou throw out some terms easily researched by anyone, and come off as though what you say is the verifyable truth.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonDude, this is the internet, which means anyone can say anything.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonYou can lie about your expertise, your experience and even where you are from. This forum is filled with people like you, who are more then likely in their teens, and with little or no real martial arts experiences.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonI, on the other hand, am honest about being a beginner. I claim no extensive "university" experience. Frankly, a post like yours came up a while back from a person "Robert G" who also came off like the weary scholar, chuckling his head sadly and once again enlightening all of us that there is no such thing as "Ninjutsu". People like you make absurd claims, because you have strong yet un-informed opinons, and you bash other people's choices in what martial arts they take.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonI do not think there are any martial art forms that are bullshit, or not real, or not true...
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonI even think TKD has merits, in that it puts you in great physical shape. I have no need to laugh at other people's art forms, or try to make them feel bad because I want to feel superior.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonYou say that there are "NO" japanese students of ninjutsu. Being that a lot of the seminars/trainings and camps are actually held in Japan, by Hatsumi (Who is Japanese) I am quite sure you are full of horsecrap.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonAnd anyone reading this knows that like most people here, you are more then likely a 19 year old idiot, not from Japan.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonBut even if I am wrong, I could care less.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonIf you were truly a grand martial artist, university scholar and all around genius, you would not be posting on this forum.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonYou would not be wasting your time.
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonYou are a major bullshit artist!!
Originally posted by Mr. AriesonI know you want me to think you are a learned scholar, speaking with the curators of the ninjustu museums enough to know them personally. Post a picture of you, with one of the curators, with a recent date on it. Keep in mind that we have busted several poseurs like Mattbla who posted pictures off the first page of google. Since you are posing as an expert, we should see the proof, or shut up and quit pontificating.Shouldn't be too hard, as you are already in Japan, right?
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I said pictures of you, the learned scholar, standing with the curator of the Ninja museum, not pictures of someone in a gym.
I don't need to post a picture of Me in front of Mt. Rushmore, dolt. I am not the one that said something stupid like " There is no true Kempo" or "No japanese study Kempo"....you make stupid statements like that, go ahead an expect to be called on it. Neither of those pictures prove a damn thing. We have plently of Japanese letters on the walls of my Dojo, (where I am a beginner, by the way). Oh, and one more thing Moron, I am just turning 41 years old myself. And by the way Liar, I happen to think Kempo is probably the most effective martial art out there. If I wasn't taking Bujinkan, that would be my other choice. I have no need to knock it, however, just because it was invented by a Hawaiian. I could give a shit who invented it, or how pure it is, or how many Japanese take it. All I know is that Kempo is effective, end of story..and so it Bujinkan. But, if you really were an expert, you would already know that, and would not make absurd statements. PS, anyone can claim to be anything on this forum. How can anyone really prove it?. You can throw out all the bullshit you want about having an advanced degree, being a translator, shitting piles of pure gold, whatever dude! It's meaningless when you say that "No japanese study ninjustu" Hatsumi is the soke of Bujinkan, so that counts as AT LEAST ONE PERSON!
Your advanced degree's are really doing you a lot of good, huh Mattbla??
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Originally posted by KimpatsuAnd Kano never pretended to be teaching jujutsu; he called it judo, showing that he had left the past behind.
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Originally posted by KimpatsuThat's a very simplistic view. Firstly, what parts of howa were ripped off? Secondly, what parts of seiho? Thirdly, "ripped off" implies an underhead theft of techniques, whereas Kaiso So Doshin was actually made head of the Giwamondan by his predecessor, in a ceremony at the Shaolin Temple. And the codification was all his own work.
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