JKD Nucleus

[Tant01]

Yawn....


Wasn't that fun!


LOL


~Tant01


Glad to see one of us has a clue...


too Phunny...


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[Hammerhead]

yup i've seen you, you don't impress me.

I'm afraid I must now disappoint you eXcessiveFarce...I don't have a facebook account, I don't twitter, I'm not on MySpace.

I don't have the time - speaking of which...this place is a total waste of it.

[Hammerhead]

I suppose we could all check out your facebook page to see how huge you are. But that might be a little disappointing don't you think

It wouldn't be disappointing for you eXcessiveFarce. I mean with a handle like that I doubt you're worried about anything.

"If you must use force, make it excessive."

What a joker!!! What a clown!!!

[Hammerhead]

Clubber-

I arrived here looking to correspond with others who like Bruce Lee & Jeet Kune Do, but found a caustic little ectomorph with a foul mouth & pathetic attitude. He started the name calling and rancor. I've responded thusfar without using foul language & I've tried to inject a bit of comical relief (though I must admit he's annoyed me @ times).

Since Googling his website...I'm now amused (especially considering he's coming off the tough guy). I'm not saying I think he's a bad martial artist (I think he's fair-to-middling based on what little I've seen). And I'm not saying I'm an outstanding martial artist. But I will say Mr. "prick" comment is 3-5 weight classes out of his league, and he's giving up a great deal of height & reach. And this wouldn't be my first rodeo.

Furthermore, I don't really have much of a beef with eXcessiveForce - except I think the handle is childish & he seems to respond to every query with, "use a weapon."

But once again...I feel the instructors Michael's named off wouldn't be happy to see what he's written.

Maybe I will stick around...Michael & eXcessiveFarce have certainly had their say with thousands of posts between them. Why not something new & refreshing for a change? Something a little more grown-up.

[Clubber Lang]

You know buddy, its funny. A while ago this forum had some balls, and a cancerous little **** like you who is clearly here with a personal agenda against one of its respected members would have been sent packing. I think what has happened on here is that this forum has just become a freak show, where people are more interested in the entertainment someone like you provides as opposed to the input of respected martial artists.

So you know maybe you should stick around, but I reckon I'm out of here.

[Hammerhead]

Do you hold a grudge against Bruce Lee?
I would hope JKD doesn't fall of the face of the planet, but at the same time if what you are saying is really true, than that shit is f***ed up, honestly no I don't think Bruce would have wanted any of this, Dan was his friend, and so were the others Ted Wong, etc....
Besides Dan was one of Bruce's best friends I would think he wouldn't want Bruce's art to fall of the face of the planet either... =/

Honestly I had always wanted to train with Bruce but since I was born before he had passed away, I could never fulfill that dream, and so I've always wanted to learn from those whom learnt directly from him, and to learn what they learnt in hopes to create my own way with such a great art, but if what you have said is true, it seems like my dream of training with all the first generation students and so on, is starting to fall apart faster than i can grasp hold of it....

I Heard many times about the beef going on with the whole JKD world but i figured they were nothing more than rumors considering Dan's daughter is apparently part of the Bruce Lee Foundation which is run by Shannon...
Its honestly kind of sad....

But just because Linda and Shannon are doing whatever, I hope no one will bash Bruce Lee himself.

NOW I know why this pencil neck has been giving me such a hard time!!!

I'm sure Guro Dan would be appalled to read the things Michael has written. There's been enough difficulties in the JKD family tree without this nut-case stirring up trouble!!!

[Hammerhead]

Ok this website has this info on the subject.

Bruce Lee's grave


Bruce Lee certified three instructors: Dan Inosanto, Taky Kimura, and James Yimm Lee (no relation to Bruce Lee). James Yimm Lee, a close friend of Bruce Lee, died without certifying additional students. Taky Kimura, to date, has certified one person in Jun Fan Gung Fu: his son and heir Andy Kimura. All other instructors are certified under Dan Inosanto. Prior to his death, Lee told his then only two living instructors Inosanto and Kimura (James Yimm Lee had died in 1972.) to dismantle his schools. Both Taky Kimura and Dan Inosanto were allowed to teach small classes thereafter without using the name Jeet Kune Do.
As a result of a lawsuit between the estate of Bruce Lee (also known as Concord Moon) and the Inosanto Academy, the name "Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do" was legally trademarked, and the rights were given solely to the Lee estate. "The name is made up of two parts: 'Jun Fan' (Bruce’s given Chinese name) and 'Jeet Kune Do' (the Way of the Intercepting Fist). The development of Bruce Lee’s art from 1961 until the end of his life was one smooth and indivisible path. In the beginning, he referred to his teachings simply as Jun Fan Gung Fu. Later he further refined his art as a unique Gung fu all its own – Jeet Kune Do" (from the Bruce Lee Foundation Web site).
Some martial arts instructors, in an effort to promote themselves or their martial arts schools, make dubious claims about learning from or teaching Bruce Lee. There are only a few living people who can trace their lineage directly to Bruce Lee.


It is sorta backed up by the usage of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. And the fact that some schools still use JKD and Jun Fan.

As usual...the internet is wrong about just about everything!

You're quite outspoken, insulting, hot-headed & immature...not to mention wrong.

Taky Kimura has certified six people...read his book, "Regards From The Dragon."

[Aikia]

Here's just a word of advice for those who use the Inosanto letter of 1993 as some type of a endorsement to ridicule others. The letter when viewed in it's entirety really shows a most unpleasant and unattractive face for Dan and Paula. They demonstrate a type of arrogance, "we do not approve" of the magazine writing a feature with out the Inosanto approval" that we would rather not see. They claim that Bruce Lee's "other" students were really Dan's students. They, not Bruce, created JKDC.
Is it no wonder that the Bruce Lee estate took them to court...and they lost!

If I were Dan or Paula I would I would be embarrassed that anyone would read the letter.

There is talk about a class action suit being placed against the wealthy Inosanto Academy to seek damages to all those mentioned in the letter. They could end up in court again for the libel contained in the letter.

It took a little longer than I thought for your agenda to reveal itself, but after some careful positioning its now clear for all to see.

Let's keep in mind I did not initiate the topic concerning the Inosanto letter.
Let's also point out MW noted the Inosanto court case, not me.
As the person who initiated that thread pointed out the Inosanto court case was not on his mind.
"Are you people f**king kidding me !!! (o_0) .... Just who and the heck is talking about Guru Dan here, you are putting in your dam words & conscious into your post?.... This has nothing to due with any of BLS.... This is just an example of how anyone and the gramma that think they are connected to BL BLOWS things out of their azz, without actual reading the dam post.... "

After I was drawn in to responding to WI Kali Group who introduced the letter into the thread it makes sense I would provide the other side of the story that so many conveniently edit out. How are you suppose to respond to an unknown person who calls you a fake by proxy?
The Inosanto letter used my name as well as several others in what constitutes libel. I was not the focus of the letter and I have proven that point.

Then there's SgtJim who joined the forum just to make a statement he "thinks" that I may have made at a martial arts seminar (I don't teach JKD) some 20 years ago? Can he prove it? He can't remember his own name.

I have no agenda. I was participating in the conversation. It is not common that you get a Black Belt Hall of Famer on one of these forums. I didn't initiate the topic.And, I have made no attempt to hide my identity.
As a published author I have written much about JKD. Go over every word I have written about JKD and you will find 99% objective and positive. I am a fan of Dan Inosanto. I am objective in my praise and criticism.

[Kvntu]

It took a little longer than I thought for your agenda to reveal itself, but after some careful positioning its now clear for all to see.

I would have to agree.

Here's just a word of advice for those who use the Inosanto letter of 1993 as some type of a endorsement to ridicule others. The letter when viewed in it's entirety really shows a most unpleasant and unattractive face for Dan and Paula. They demonstrate a type of arrogance, "we do not approve" of the magazine writing a feature with out the Inosanto approval" that we would rather not see. They claim that Bruce Lee's "other" students were really Dan's students. They, not Bruce, created JKDC.
Is it no wonder that the Bruce Lee estate took them to court...and they lost!

If I were Dan or Paula I would I would be embarrassed that anyone would read the letter.

There is talk about a class action suit being placed against the wealthy Inosanto Academy to seek damages to all those mentioned in the letter. They could end up in court again for the libel contained in the letter.

It took a little longer than I thought for your agenda to reveal itself, but after some careful positioning its now clear for all to see.

[Sgt Jim]

I am afraid that anything negative that Jerry Beasley has to say concerning Dan has to be questioned. He certainly has demonstrated in the past that he is no friend of Inosanto. I attended a JKD seminar many years ago conducted by Beasley. Beasley stated to the entire crowd that he was told that if Larry Hartsell and Dan Inosanto were walking down the street together and attacked, Dan would run away. Larry would be the one to stand and fight. This and other silly comments in the past that are more of personal attacks rather than facts has demonstrated that he has a personal problem with Inosanto. Beasley years ago was attempting to start a consultation business on how to make a lot of money in the martial arts and certainly desired to cash in on the interest in JKD. He wrote a few books but lacking any credentials in JKD he asked his good friend Joe Lewis to give him a JKD certification. Lewis having trained with Bruce Lee was the justification for this certification. To the JKD community this really had the appearance of straining credibility to cash in. Sorry to be so blunt, but having read some of what has been written here, I couldn’t hold back.

[Aikia]

WI Kali Group,
You don't know the whole story. Here is the last page where paula adresses the fact that john Soet is the target of her letter. She writes:
"We have long stopped buying the martial art magazines, but people constantly send us articles, or “gossip” items for verification. These informative” articles include such items as “Dan Inosanto throws sister out of his school” (Dan was never present on that occasion, and Lilia was never “thrown out”- when Dan asked Lilia about this, her response was “It was John’s idea”) ; “Cass Magda not invited to Dan Inosanto’s daughter’s wedding,” (now, there is some pertinent
martial arts information); or how about the column on Dan’s mother
after her death, a piece which offended Dan deeply, and had no place in a martial art publication. I could go on and on with quotes attributed to Dan, all of which he never said, but this would be a
waste of both your time and mine, and I am sure you have an idea now of what Dan has had to put up with partly because of your irresponsible publications. Should you personally be interested in more than “varying opinions” from unqualified and uncertified individuals, and getting to the truth about Jeet Kune Do, the art and the students of the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute, our door is always open to you too!


There is one paragraph in your letter which, quite frankly, shocked and appalled Dan. John indicated “he has given Dan
preferential treatment,” when in fact, every lie, misquote, or damaging piece of information in your publication apparently leads right back to John himself as the author, or person responsible for its

appearance in the magazine. We would like to make one thing perfectly clear; we have no “familial ties” with John Soet. John married Dan’s sister Lilia Howe, but by no stretch of the imagination did he become a member of our family. He is not now nor has he
ever been considered “family.” There are no past misunderstandings
where Mr. Soet is concerned. He has always been perfectly understood, his views and feelings concerning my husband and members of his family, as stated over and over again in letters and documents that comprise a file almost as large as the inaccurate information in the magazines.

You ask if there is anything you can do to make this up to Dan. What do you think can be done to unravel the morass created by your disingenuous publications, and to remove the grief experienced by us
arising from the cloud you have placed over the reputation of one of
the most honest, sincere, compassionate, knowledgeable and decent
human beings the martial arts world has ever known?
Sincerely,
Paula L. Inosanto
PLIli enclosure



Mr.

Wi Kali Group,
Here's just a word of advice for those who use the Inosanto letter of 1993 as some type of a endorsement to ridicule others. The letter when viewed in it's entirety really shows a most unpleasant and unattractive face for Dan and Paula. They demonstrate a type of arrogance, "we do not approve" of the magazine writing a feature with out the Inosanto approval" that we would rather not see. They claim that Bruce Lee's "other" students were really Dan's students. They, not Bruce, created JKDC.
Is it no wonder that the Bruce Lee estate took them to court...and they lost!

"The Lee Estate, operating under the legal alias of Concord Moon, took the Inosanto Academy of Martial Arts to court in order to prevent them using the name Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. After a lengthy lawsuit the Lee Estate won, and therefore neither Guro Inosanto nor The Inosanto Academy of Martial Arts can use the name Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do."

If I were Dan or Paula I would I would be embarrassed that anyone would read the letter.

There is talk about a class action suit being placed against the wealthy Inosanto Academy to seek damages to all those mentioned in the letter. They could end up in court again for the libel contained in the letter.

To most of us Dan Inosanto is a humble and caring master.
Here for perhaps the first, and let's hope only time, you see the dark side. It's not very flattering.
Let's move on.

[Wi Kali Group]

What are you hiding Wi Kali group?
To imply that a Black Belt magazine Hall of Famer is a "hack"? How imature.

I never said you were a hack. Other than where I've stated my opinion I was just stating a fact. For those out there who might not know. The people reading this don't have to take my word for it. They can go to a seminar and see I'm telling the truth. That everyone regardless of ability will receive the exact same piece of paper.

I don't want to label you a hack. Even if I was sure you were I'd rather people come to that conclusion for themselves. It's the same with any of the JKD instructors out teaching. I like to deal in facts. I'm not trying to claim that anyone out their is no good or not qualified to teach. The number of people who I've trained under (even at seminars) is too small for that.

My big beef is people regardless of their position distorting the facts. And the reason people keep digging up old facts is people keep lying. Maybe they aren't lying I really shouldn't place motives. Maybe they just don't know any better.

And as far as what you said about Larry. According to your clip on youtube. The quote from Larry

"Jerry, Thanks for promoting the seminars. It was great working for you. Tell Joe Lewis he is still on tough Son-of-a-gun." 43 secs into it.

Now that quote to me sounds like you had Larry in for a seminar or something "It was great working for you." It's not unheard of for seminar hosts to be the tackling dummy for the instructor. Not all have a traveling assistant. And Larry didn't always have one with him.

And their is a quote by Dan talking about how you wrote a great article. 1:06 into the clip. All we know for a fact is Dan thought you wrote one good article. Now maybe he liked all of them. But all we know for sure is he liked one.

It sounds like you rubbed elbows with a ton of talented people over the years. You may have learned a lot. You may have learned nothing I don't care. It sounds like you don't claim to be a JKD instructor. I think I saw a post where you didn't claim to be an instructor. And that as long as people wanted to buy your books you would serve your fans. Hey you have every right to. If nothing else you would have some great stories about people who are no longer around.

I am really glad to see your kind words for Dan.

On the letter though. It seems like you point out what she wrote it about to try and detract from her comments on you. Now she was dealing in facts. She talked about what her and Dan saw you do at their seminars. She didn't say you never trained. Just that she never saw it. And I think anyone who has met Dan or Paula and gotten to know them will know how honest they are.

Then you pull up your I was there certificates. And point to your long career of books and articles. Fine you are a prolific writer who is very popular. I'll give you that. And I make this point not as a judgment of you. But an observation so others can make up their own mind.

The national inquire is a very successful paper. Millions read it. I have on many occasions. But most people don't really think Elvis is alive. That the woman's baby was half alien. Or what ever else is in there.

[Baki Hanma]

All

Political discussions aside, I just wanted to comment on a separate point that seems to be coming out here.

In terms of finding JKD, or the element of JKD that you are looking for, that simply comes down to how much it means to you and how far are you prepared to go to get it?

If you want to study the original material that Bruce Lee taught, there are instructors teaching exactly that. As people on here know, I started my training with the Nucleus Instructors, I was a student in the Jun Fan method from 1994 to 1997. I attended the first Nucleus event in San Francisco, January 1997. For three years I studied original Jun Fan Gung Fu material, its really not that hard to find - I was just prepared to get on a plane and go to the source.

I have also studied a lot of exactly the same material at Guro Inosanto's Jun Fang Gung Fu classes at his Academy. Therefore, having been on both sides of the fence is one of the reasons why the whole argument is complete bollocks. What I learned with the Nucleus I then learned from Guro Inosanto, and his Full Instructors. There is no OJKD or JKDC, its bullshit. One person teaches certain material exclusively, and another teaches additonal arts as well. Its really not rocket science.

If you want to study the material taught by Paul Vunak then get on a plane and go to his house. I did it in 1998 and have been back 4 times since. Paul's material is superb JKD, he is a lovely guy and a wonderful instructor. He's there, go train with him.

Yes there are people in JKD who prefer a blended approach, but if you've done your homework and walk in with your eyes open then you will know that. If thats not what you want then don't study there, go study with someone who teaches what you want.

If you just go to seminars, or if you train with a guy who is under a guy who knew a guy then you cannot expect to be learning at a high quality level. JKD is very new martial art, who's founder unfortunately died very young and left only a handful of people teaching his method. If you really want it then its still a big commitment to go and find it, so like I say its down to how much it means to YOU and how far YOU are prepared to go. Don't point the finger at other people because your commitment only goes so far.

I'm not having a dig at anyone on here, I'm just offering some context. JKD exists, and world class instructors exist. They're just not round the corner for most of us, unfortunately.

And in terms of why anyone is not as good as Bruce Lee was, I don't think you can definitively or objectively make that claim. All I have to judge Bruce Lee is film footage and testimony. What I have seen in real life from the likes of Guro Inosanto, Paul Vunak, Erik Paulson, Rick Young, Rick Faye etc - I'm not personally sure its a fair statement.

Well said!
I can see why people here praise you for your post...

As far as I'm concern, I grew up in a family who has a huge background of martial arts and fighting experience, I pretty much learned or starting learning martial arts the moment i could walk, I have grown to love it, and can honestly say that no matter what phase i went through, I've always had a strong passion for martial arts, and want to continue this passion for the rest of my life.
My goal is to be the best, and I'm not going to say I'm number one, but I will never admit to being number two!
I have somethings i need to work out, but I actually am planning to pack my back and start my journey starting from where i am and heading out on foot, on train, on bus to let my art experience many different things from what many people have to offer....
Now I'm sure leaving home with a packed bag and traveling the way I am for the sake of martial arts is kind of crazy and maybe to some kind of cool, but all i can say is this is going to be awesome!

All

Political discussions aside, I just wanted to comment on a separate point that seems to be coming out here.

In terms of finding JKD, or the element of JKD that you are looking for, that simply comes down to how much it means to you and how far are you prepared to go to get it?

If you want to study the original material that Bruce Lee taught, there are instructors teaching exactly that. As people on here know, I started my training with the Nucleus Instructors, I was a student in the Jun Fan method from 1994 to 1997. I attended the first Nucleus event in San Francisco, January 1997. For three years I studied original Jun Fan Gung Fu material, its really not that hard to find - I was just prepared to get on a plane and go to the source.

I have also studied a lot of exactly the same material at Guro Inosanto's Jun Fang Gung Fu classes at his Academy. Therefore, having been on both sides of the fence is one of the reasons why the whole argument is complete bollocks. What I learned with the Nucleus I then learned from Guro Inosanto, and his Full Instructors. There is no OJKD or JKDC, its bullshit. One person teaches certain material exclusively, and another teaches additonal arts as well. Its really not rocket science.

If you want to study the material taught by Paul Vunak then get on a plane and go to his house. I did it in 1998 and have been back 4 times since. Paul's material is superb JKD, he is a lovely guy and a wonderful instructor. He's there, go train with him.

Yes there are people in JKD who prefer a blended approach, but if you've done your homework and walk in with your eyes open then you will know that. If thats not what you want then don't study there, go study with someone who teaches what you want.

If you just go to seminars, or if you train with a guy who is under a guy who knew a guy then you cannot expect to be learning at a high quality level. JKD is very new martial art, who's founder unfortunately died very young and left only a handful of people teaching his method. If you really want it then its still a big commitment to go and find it, so like I say its down to how much it means to YOU and how far YOU are prepared to go. Don't point the finger at other people because your commitment only goes so far.

I'm not having a dig at anyone on here, I'm just offering some context. JKD exists, and world class instructors exist. They're just not round the corner for most of us, unfortunately.

And in terms of why anyone is not as good as Bruce Lee was, I don't think you can definitively or objectively make that claim. All I have to judge Bruce Lee is film footage and testimony. What I have seen in real life from the likes of Guro Inosanto, Paul Vunak, Erik Paulson, Rick Young, Rick Faye etc - I'm not personally sure its a fair statement.