nerve martial arts???

[medic06]

SEE, the stuff works. Penance is really working on Boarspear's nerves

[JkD187]

did anyone ever see this video floating around with like 2 hicks fighting in "da bac woodz" and one of them grabs the other guys sac and says "u like dat boy...come on mutha fucker" or somethin like that....dose this clasify as dim mak? (j/p but that vid was hillarious)

[Nutz]

You can use these points to control a man when grappling, IE: getting him to lift or turn his head to apply chokes....

I think you just quoted one of my earlier posts where I mentioned that very spot. Yes, it can be useful in a spot of trouble for getting one's chin up to apply a choke on them, but its far easier said than done as you give up some control to get there. A good use of that spot is from a headlock. Take that sucker hard and straight and you can slide him off and behind you as you turn with it take the opponent right to the ground. There is a sample vid on the defedo website where he does just that. However, in my example its part of a strike to the nose/face, not that spot in particular. But if you do nail it then you'll probably have great leverage over them if you follow through with their body movement into a takedown.

[Penance]

Man, I mentioned the guard once and it's all you've been talking about.

And you're the one implying that I'M fruity? Did I get those gears turning or what?

[BoarSpear]

I think you just quoted one of my earlier posts where I mentioned that very spot. Yes, it can be useful in a spot of trouble for getting one's chin up to apply a choke on them, but its far easier said than done as you give up some control to get there. A good use of that spot is from a headlock. Take that sucker hard and straight and you can slide him off and behind you as you turn with it take the opponent right to the ground. There is a sample vid on the defedo website where he does just that. However, in my example its part of a strike to the nose/face, not that spot in particular. But if you do nail it then you'll probably have great leverage over them if you follow through with their body movement into a takedown.

Yeah thats it, I quoted you Ever occour to you that the points have logical uses? as far as things being easier said than done, what martial technique is easier to do than talk about doing?

The reason its called fighting is both sides have input and dont make it easy for the other guy to impose his will, and there is no perfect solution to a real fight, fights are fast and no one knows how the opponent will respond to anything you try....

[BoarSpear]

did anyone ever see this video floating around with like 2 hicks fighting in "da bac woodz" and one of them grabs the other guys sac and says "u like dat boy...come on mutha fucker" or somethin like that....dose this clasify as dim mak? (j/p but that vid was hillarious)

No, the balls are not a dim mak point, Cv-1 is, but thats a pretty unlikely target.

[Asta]

Got a working link. Here it is, Dim mak: http://www.wimp.com/knockouts/

[BoarSpear]

Got a working link. Here it is, Dim mak: http://www.wimp.com/knockouts/

Ah simple explanation, The people who werent affected had thier tongues touching the tops of thier mouths. That completes the circuit so to speak...kinda like rubber shoes....speaking of shoes, always make 'em take thiers off before dim makin 'em. That way if they try any of that tricky toe wigglin to counter your magic powers you can smash thier toes with your staff....

[HtTKar]

Penance, I agree with you. There is not a martial art that I can think of that does not teach pressure points: Whether they know it or not. A lot of the application to some strikes has been lost, but almost all the traditional styles strikes and blocks directly attack pressure points. Of course they are everywhere. It's just a spot that hurts more than the surrounding areas. When pressure points are available everywhere across the body, why would you attack anywhere esle?

Of course it can take a lifetime to learn how to be "most" efficient with every strike. How to hit the most amount of pressure points (or one point as hard as possible) with each strike is different for every area of the body. Some areas require you to relax - hit with the wrist/and whip your knuckles around or into them. Other areas are better off to make different shaped fists, some are with the blade base, some are snappy pinches, and other areas are better off with a wide open, stiff slap.

Anything you are taught, if you think about it could be used against a pressure point exactly as it is taught; Without modification. I will go so far as to say that if a teacher says you are not attacking a pressure point then he is teaching you wrong.

[EmptyneSs]

it doesnt take a lifetime to master hitting people in pressure points accurately and consistently. a boxer of 3 years of consistent training will have developed incredible speed and accuracy in his strikes and will know to slam a hook into your kidney, liver, solar plexus, temple, chin, and so forth. arent these all "pressure point fighting" ? kickboxers, karate guys, wing chun guys and many other arts allow people to become effective in their use in just a few years of consistent training and experience in sparring.

btw, isnt the mt leg kick targeting the nerve centers in the thighs as well as the tendon that holds your leg together? thats a nerve attack. thats why people lose mobility fast and get sick from pain when they recieve mt kicks.

boarspear, that chart was from a us miltary hand to hand combat manual. it showed all the different points all over the body. i looked it over and i knew many of them just from training in ma, but learnt a few more. it doesnt take much to look at that and see that there are large nerve centers in your back over were your neck meets your traps. a hammer fist or elbow to those areas can do real dmg. or see the diiferent ones on the the arms and shoulders and legs especially.even a beginner martial artist can take a look at this and use it to give them a much better idea of what to aim for and supplement their skills with.

[HtTKar]

It takes forever to master them. I agree that a boxer or any martial artist with just a few years, heck even months of training can nail most pressure points. You dont even have to be taught to hit pressure points...they are for the most part natural targets. But look at how much better a master is at hitting them everytime, exactly where it hurts without fail. One of the major differences is consistency, and you can tell by the little bruises everytime the strike.

Also when you are hit in a pressure point, your body will react in predictable ways (People move away from the pain) and through practice you can use these predictable movements to go to the next pressure point. For example; if you are kicked in the balls with a rising front kick, your head drop into your opponents knee. This leaves your back exposed. Pretty simple, but knowing the timing takes a while.

a third difference is the amount of force being used. Beginners try to hit harder than is necessary. They are usually tense and because of this are slow and tire quickly. "Masters" can hit the targets effectively, remain calm and relaxed, dont use more force than is necessary, and because of this they can strike very fast. When you are hit in multiple pressure points rapidly, your body goes into a sort of overload...your brain just doesnt know what to do. The pain is spread across large areas of the body, rapidly.

it doesnt take a long time to memorize the chart. It takes a long time to be able to put that to practice against resisting opponents. No matter how good you are; there is always room for improvement. The only way to practice pressure points is through sparring. You can read all you want, but you will never get the feel for timing the predictable movements you create by hitting people certain ways.

[EmptyneSs]

It takes forever to master them. I agree that a boxer or any martial artist with just a few years, heck even months of training can nail most pressure points. You dont even have to be taught to hit pressure points...they are for the most part natural targets. But look at how much better a master is at hitting them everytime, exactly where it hurts without fail. One of the major differences is consistency, and you can tell by the little bruises everytime the strike.

Also when you are hit in a pressure point, your body will react in predictable ways (People move away from the pain) and through practice you can use these predictable movements to go to the next pressure point. For example; if you are kicked in the balls with a rising front kick, your head drop into your opponents knee. This leaves your back exposed. Pretty simple, but knowing the timing takes a while.

a third difference is the amount of force being used. Beginners try to hit harder than is necessary. They are usually tense and because of this are slow and tire quickly. "Masters" can hit the targets effectively, remain calm and relaxed, dont use more force than is necessary, and because of this they can strike very fast. When you are hit in multiple pressure points rapidly, your body goes into a sort of overload...your brain just doesnt know what to do. The pain is spread across large areas of the body, rapidly.

it doesnt take a long time to memorize the chart. It takes a long time to be able to put that to practice against resisting opponents. No matter how good you are; there is always room for improvement. The only way to practice pressure points is through sparring. You can read all you want, but you will never get the feel for timing the predictable movements you create by hitting people certain ways.

uh no, it doesnt take forever to master them. as i said before, a boxer/mt kickboxer of 3 years will be able to strike these areas pretty consistently and with decent power. thats the whole point of mt and boxing, to attack vital targets consistently and hard. a hook punch kos people so much because it tweaks the brain stem when it forces your neck to bend more than it should to the side very fast. thats your 1 hit pressure point. so is the chin, and jaw. there are very important nerves that run through the outside of the jaw. a regular guy with no training wont even stand a chance vs a trained boxer and the boxer can just hit him at will just about anywere he wanted to. it doesnt take a master martial artist to be able to duck or a slip a punch and counter werever he wants. mt/boxers can do this in just a few years on the competitive level. as u said before, all martial arts teach these types of attacks and techniques. all martial arts stress attacking nerves and interrupting the flow of them and most people u will be getting situations with are most likely people at bars, crackheads and homless people, the kids who wear g unit and wear sideways hats and walk with a limp, and jocks. not martial arts masters and ufc fighters. u dont need to a master to use these techniques efficiently. u just need fast reflexes and lots of calm while fighting so u can see exactly whats going on.

[medic06]

I would like to amend that. You need to be master, but you do need a solid mastery of the basics (or at least a very good proficiency)

[Sensei Saki]

Why would you want to do amend that? Interesting. I want to find out more about you.Name one other robot who is master but you do need a solid mastery of the basics or at least a very good proficiency.

[medic06]

All good martial arts (and martial artists) have common characteristics; hard, physical and mental training, emphasis on simple basics, easy to understand principles, and room for continued improvement and advancement.