Hey This guy Tommy carruthers Is preety fast

[ecamd1025]

Its awesome to have Tim on these threads...a true class act.As for ecamd1025 i really think you need to step in and prepare for a amatuer MMA fight....i mean you seem to talk a good game with your critique sheet..but when you step into the gym and train hard for those weeks and step in the ring...you will have learned something that can only be experienced.Now i know your not going to do this but you really should....Its great to see others points of view.

I dont deal with sport. Im sorry.You are Right if you say so.

[JkD187]

I dont deal with sport. Im sorry.You are Right if you say so.

Thats cool to each his own.I was just letting you know that you shouldnt put down something that you havnt experienced yet.

[robertlee]

Live training Is resistive. It has no set pattern the other person is not just allowing you to do something . And i do see where you said you do train live spars. No need that any one has to train for ring fighting as most do not but ring fighting is not such a easy thing even with the rules for protection. And often people who fight in the ring has to train and be in very good shape if they want to sucseed people watching those fights yes can see the other things that could be done. but they are not the ones in there getting hit trying to put a effert out hopeing to out fight the other. MM/A has came a long way to a better fight game today then back when it first started out. And it has to improve delivery methods because people test there selfs. Either way live training is a stage that brings the person to see what and how to get what they have trained working some better then others be it agin ring or no rule training.

[plip_1975]

tommy carruthers

i've participated in a couple of tommy carruthers' seminars --jesse glover was there too by the way. i think tommy used to work as a bouncer for a long time; so as far as actual fighting experience, i think he's had a few. imagine fighting big drunk guys who are high on drugs. their reflexes might be slow, but they are probably also immune to pain when they are in this state.

i actually replied to this thread to ask any of you if you knew the address to the website sifu tom carruthers has . it use to be easy to find, but i can't find it now. it has images and videos of him applying jeet kune do. it was a wicked website.

[HERQ454]

www.tommycarruthers.com

[BoarSpear]

Whoa, I didnt watch the clip before, I figured it was the same old clip!!

NICE

[redwave540]

Just letting you all know, I am hosting a seminar for Tommy Carruthers in Tucson, Arizona July 25th and 26th 2009. He will be teaching Real Jeet Kune Do the way Bruce Lee intended. For those of you interested please go to my website at Real Combat - About Seminar!

[hoov]

hmmmm... summer time just a maybe for now

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it doesnt happen very often.

[Max22]

I like a lot of what I see in TC's videos but in all honesty, he annoys the hell out of me by carrying his hands sooooo low all the time. And that flip kick...pul-ease. Other wise though I'm impressed with most of what I have seen of his stuff.

[redwave540]

flip kick? How does he carry his hands low? I'm guessing you never seen him in person. These videos are for demonstration purposes only.

[Max22]

Flip kick

flip kick? How does he carry his hands low? I'm guessing you never seen him in person. These videos are for demonstration purposes only.

Redwave,
It happens in the bathroom bit. At least I think it is a bathroom. He hits the guy with a kick i saw once in a Jackie Chan movie. You aren't knocking many people out with that. It might be useful I don't know. Its neat in the demonstration anyway.

In many of his clips both of his hands are dangling around his waist (or at least manufacturing a reasonable facimile of a Lee pose from Enter the Dragon). I am not saying anything about how he fights, or anything like that, because like a lot of "Original JKD" guys I don't actually see alot of sparring. My point of concern is that you fight how train. And if you are always leaving your hands dangling at your waist (which I am not saying he does, but he does alot in his demos) you will do that when you fight. I understand that he is demonstrating, but still I always like seeing good habits.
You say he has good habits, I have to take you at your word.

YouTube - jeet kune do
Take a look at this backfist at :25. Hands down at his waist. Or at :41 demonstrating how to kick and slip a guy. Not bad, but hands not up, but rather at his waist. Or at 1:15 or so. Where O' where are his hands....? I do understand that sometimes he is suggesting that you have to hit from a lot of different positions. But still, it is a lot hands down business.

I am not saying he is bad, or that he doesn't know Jun Fan. I was just voiceing a pet peeve.

[redwave540]

MaxD, I understand where you are coming from.

I'm sure we all agree that Jeet Kune Do is made for Street Self Defense. I am also sure, that we understand Jeet Kune Do should be used to intercept our opponents intention as quickly as possible. In Jeet Kune Do we try to get rid of our telegraphs through correct structure, footwork, etc. An example of this is, in a fight you aren't going to chamber your punch back, and then throw a jab. This would be saying, "Hey buddy, get ready...I'm going to punch you in the face!" We don't tell our opponent what we plan on doing, and we don't show our opponent what we plan on doing. In a street fight, why am I going to show my opponent I know how to fight? Before a conflict, are you going to get in your stance? Typically the Bai Jong or On Guard stance should be a stance from which your body maneuvers from; the stance should never be in a static position. This is, of course if you plan on defeating your opponent in a quick and efficient manner. Therefore, before going into your stance...you attack and let the body drop into the stance. If Tommy fought with his hands up, wouldn't this be a telegraph? Of course during the fight, you will keep your hands up. At the beginning of a fight I want to surprise my opponent. I don't want him knowing that I'm about to attack. I don't want him knowing I know how to fight. Dropping automatically into an offensive position sends signals to your opponent.

This is just coming from me. I'm not sure what Tommy has to say about it. It's just what I see. Max, I do appreciate your mature attitude in your posts. It's very rare. It's good to see there are others in the online community who can hold a mature conversation, debate, or what have you...without having to lead into a fight.

Thank You,

Ian Hunter



Of course there are also ways to stand before a fight without looking offensive, such as putting your hands up in a calm down position.

[Max22]

MaxD, I understand where you are coming from.

I'm sure we all agree that Jeet Kune Do is made for Street Self Defense. I am also sure, that we understand Jeet Kune Do should be used to intercept our opponents intention as quickly as possible. In Jeet Kune Do we try to get rid of our telegraphs through correct structure, footwork, etc. An example of this is, in a fight you aren't going to chamber your punch back, and then throw a jab. This would be saying, "Hey buddy, get ready...I'm going to punch you in the face!" We don't tell our opponent what we plan on doing, and we don't show our opponent what we plan on doing. In a street fight, why am I going to show my opponent I know how to fight? Before a conflict, are you going to get in your stance? Typically the Bai Jong or On Guard stance should be a stance from which your body maneuvers from; the stance should never be in a static position. This is, of course if you plan on defeating your opponent in a quick and efficient manner. Therefore, before going into your stance...you attack and let the body drop into the stance. If Tommy fought with his hands up, wouldn't this be a telegraph? Of course during the fight, you will keep your hands up. At the beginning of a fight I want to surprise my opponent. I don't want him knowing that I'm about to attack. I don't want him knowing I know how to fight. Dropping automatically into an offensive position sends signals to your opponent.

This is just coming from me. I'm not sure what Tommy has to say about it. It's just what I see. Max, I do appreciate your mature attitude in your posts. It's very rare. It's good to see there are others in the online community who can hold a mature conversation, debate, or what have you...without having to lead into a fight.

Thank You,

Ian Hunter



Of course there are also ways to stand before a fight without looking offensive, such as putting your hands up in a calm down position.

Ian,
All of what you say is perfectly valid. Most of the youtube clips are of Tommy are either well edited montages or, fan edits of well, let me just say varying qualitity! I like a good fan edit as much the next guy. But it doesn't really give me much context. That is certainly not Tommy's fault! I could see in the clip I showed you where he is discussing non-agressive hand posture that neither ramps up the agression of the situation, nor leaves you defenseless (I teach my students and friends those postures).

I also like the training of hitting from the "passive" position. Which is very much like the scenarios you might actually encounter. Fights aren't always knuckle up affairs, as we are often trying to de-escalate situations if we can. As I said, I like what TC shows in his clips, and would, were I in Tuscon gladly drop the money for the very affordable seminar you guys are putting to train with and listen to TC.

Glad you like my posts. I will always tell it as I see it, but hopefully that isn't seen as disrespectful or stand offish. I prefer a good conversation whether we agree or not, to some of the sillyness that goes on in martial arts.

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To Tommy's credit, these clips were put him without his permission. I may need to add that in there, for those who are unaware.