a message to the martial artists on this forum

[kuk sool won]

You ever read 'education for leisure' by Carol Ann Duffy?

[mr goodcat]

Okay, kid, if you won't hear that, than hear this.

You need to take a composition class. You need to learn how to write clearly and concisely. You want people to understand? Then write to be understood. The way you write... all the words run together.

If you want me to understand just what the hell you're saying, then write to where I, Joe Average Guy, and my brother Billy Bartender, can understand.

Okay?

And I want to know where you got your ideas.

Right now I've got the idea that you don't like establishment... no-mind, no-truth, no-spoon, etc.

And that's about all I can understand.

You've claimed to be a bodybuilder, philosopher, and martial artist.

So, what do you think is the best way to build upper body muscle without using the wrists? I honestly would like to know because I have a persistent wrist injury that prevents me from performing pushups, which, unfortunately, the Army is fond of. I need an interim solution until I can get the injury healed.

What is your belief about life? Death? Life after death?

Finally, what sort of style of martial arts do you prefer? Are you more into MMA or into traditional? Or JKD, by the sound of it? Do you consider adaptive self-training or class instruction to be better (I've had both so I'll reserve my opinion).

Answer these questions, and try to make your points as clear as possible. I'm gonna try to help you out here, and it's damn hard to debate you when I can't discern the points you're trying to make.

Lemme know.

i hope this isnt too much than u hoped to read, i still have much to say but ill stick with this for now---

Nope, im technically an outsider in my college, everyone looks at what i am wearing, its a stab in the back for most people. simply because i dress up, suites, dress shoes, dress hat. While everyone else around me is concerned with fashion, levis, hollister, abercrombie and fitch etc. ah the army i tried for them. got close to becomming processed but im glad it didnt work out, they really have no need for the skills i practice and are fond of.

Body Building: the best way to build upper body without the wrists are dumbells, you know the free weights. sit ups, leg lifts. doing the unicycle in the air, also holding onto a pull up bar and lifting your legs up. for the death question, you can see that christianity has its own belief on what happens, after death, so does buddhism and and the other monotheistic religions, those most monotheistic religions share the heaven hell concept. me? i believe when you die your spirit goes back to nature, this is my belief, i wont say its true, but seeing how most religions mask the major philosophical questions such as death and where do we come from, most people feel comfortable to believe in one of these condepts, and there are those who dont believe any of it. so to answer your question it is all up to you as to where you head after death.

Your Wrists: um im not a doctor but for your wrist pain u can try warming up and stretching that designated area before pushups, you know roll your wrists around to get them loose then move your hands slowly up and down, grab them from behind and forward, and if this doesnt help then u have strained your wrist and you somehow keep re-damaging it by doing the pushups or what ever it is that you do. i had a strained back on my right side when ever i did leaging right hand punches and i left it alone for a few days and didnt train and it feels better so maybe u hurt your wrist somehow by jerking it or distributing your weight unevenly when doing pushups.

MMA and TKD: As for Martial arts, although i am a rebel; i do support instruction, to build up the foundation of your training. I am a rebel because i dont do what most martial art systems teach, ill train with guns, knives, skiima(sp?) sticks, rifles, sais, staves, chains, etc. However, i think its best to part with instruction after u have a firm grip on style which the instructor taught to start exploring other ways of going about doing things that were either not taught by the instructor or frowned upon. I use to train in a TKD dojo before it became too expencive for my parents to finance, in addition to the price for the lessons the belts cost 80 t0 90 dollars every time i was to get a new one. after that i sort of stopped with the occasional practice and plaid sports for a couple years then started practicing 5 months ago, not any specific style. I remember trying to remember the moves i was taught in the dojo, ultimatley i became more indipendend and took to other routes in martial arts. So i dont feel i practice traditional, but i always wanted to learn a little bit from every system. i notcied since it was years since i had any instruction i lost my balance in many places and often hurt myself with almost everything i did until i had to stop it all and break it down, with the side kick ill practice foot work on both sides til i was comfortable. i held onto a wall to practice form and balance til i didnt need the wall for support anymore, sooner or later i was able to stay in a side kick form for at least 30 seconds til i started stumbling.

comments: since i am the only person in my family who works out, with a mom who use to run now smokes and eats junk food and my dad being obese, i often found no support so i bought a bruce lee book, his book on commentaries to see what he had to say about martial arts. I also started reading up on other sources as much as possible. until i found a work out plan i was able to stick with for a while b4 i hurt my left shoulder blade. id train my arms for an hour, monday, wednesday, friday, id also run on those days, on the alternate days id weight train for an hour, and practice legs. which left sunday as my sort of rest day. i have been trying hard as hell to get into a meditation habbit but its hard when u have no one to give you pointers. the nuns and monks i use to talk to all the time when practicing xen buddhism were help but they all seemed to talk like buddha, telling me this and that in riddles and i was suppose to figure it out in order to get it. I thought i invented some new fist movements but turns out its used in shaolin, it wasnt disappointing because i always admired that system, its sort of .. exotic in a way, i figured since i didnt plan to join another dojo for quite some time ( time and money partially being the problem) i would have to work hard in what i do to find my own limitations and weaknesses and with strong effort and the dent of hard work i felt i would be able to overcome them myself. sometimes ill think for hours on a certain move i did, being not satisfied with it, i would back track. I would do it slowly as i did before, to try to pinpoint exactly what im not proud of, and ill do this until i am satisfied, sometimes i fatigue myself to the point where i cant do anymore and still havent found a solution

[mr goodcat]

It will be interesting to see how long you last this time, happeh.

mm wheat bread

[Tant01]

Uhhh, yeah.... good luck with that...

[NightStalker14]

Okay, kid, if you won't hear that, than hear this.

You need to take a composition class. You need to learn how to write clearly and concisely. You want people to understand? Then write to be understood. The way you write... all the words run together.

If you want me to understand just what the hell you're saying, then write to where I, Joe Average Guy, and my brother Billy Bartender, can understand.

Okay?

And I want to know where you got your ideas.

Right now I've got the idea that you don't like establishment... no-mind, no-truth, no-spoon, etc.

And that's about all I can understand.

You've claimed to be a bodybuilder, philosopher, and martial artist.

So, what do you think is the best way to build upper body muscle without using the wrists? I honestly would like to know because I have a persistent wrist injury that prevents me from performing pushups, which, unfortunately, the Army is fond of. I need an interim solution until I can get the injury healed.

What is your belief about life? Death? Life after death?

Finally, what sort of style of martial arts do you prefer? Are you more into MMA or into traditional? Or JKD, by the sound of it? Do you consider adaptive self-training or class instruction to be better (I've had both so I'll reserve my opinion).

Answer these questions, and try to make your points as clear as possible. I'm gonna try to help you out here, and it's damn hard to debate you when I can't discern the points you're trying to make.

Lemme know.

[jubaji]

go get a life porkey

It will be interesting to see how long you last this time, happeh.

[mr goodcat]

How the hell does one express himself in the way he throws a side kick?

There aren't all that many ways to do it...

I think you're basically attempting to justify doing it the wrong way. Perhaps because you never learned the right way.

It's done a certain way for a reason: to deliver maximum power and effect and kinetic force to the opponent, so as to put him that much closer to losing the fight.

If you view causing bodily harm to another individual as a form of 'expression', then you're treading dangerously close to sociopathic.

You seem to want to emulate Bruce Lee. That's fine. I have no problem with that.

But I recognize the martial arts as a weapon alongside a firearm or knife. I don't view it as a form of self-expression, at least not anymore. I did once, but I was slightly misguided in my views.

No amount of sputtering about philosophy will make you Bruce Lee. Lee was a brilliant martial artist and I would daresay the best. His name is familiar with almost any martial arts practitioner 33 years after his death.

Your attempts to be like him can't lie in quoting his philosophy.

Despite whatever honest effort you might put forth, you strike me as just another kid who thinks he's something that he's not.

And at 18, you're not on your way to a philosophy major; you just started. And I know that you can't possibly know that much from a few months of college education.

Take care.

... yeah yeah i am not bruce lee nor do i want to be, sure he was good with martial arts but my training extends far beyond hands and legs, your attempt to try to phase me by saying im trying to be bruce lee wastes both of our time. dont waste your time typing long postes to someone if the person wont even bother to read your griping

[NightStalker14]

i know i always felt there is no wrong way to do a side kick unless it hurts, in any other case a side kick should fit ones own self expression, a unique form and way that one expresses himself through his side kick, not hurting himself at all, i understand this philosophy plenty, but in an effort to use my own words and not completely copy someone elses i sometimes dont explain it well and will take the reader in another direction

How the hell does one express himself in the way he throws a side kick?

There aren't all that many ways to do it...

I think you're basically attempting to justify doing it the wrong way. Perhaps because you never learned the right way.

It's done a certain way for a reason: to deliver maximum power and effect and kinetic force to the opponent, so as to put him that much closer to losing the fight.

If you view causing bodily harm to another individual as a form of 'expression', then you're treading dangerously close to sociopathic.

You seem to want to emulate Bruce Lee. That's fine. I have no problem with that.

But I recognize the martial arts as a weapon alongside a firearm or knife. I don't view it as a form of self-expression, at least not anymore. I did once, but I was slightly misguided in my views.

No amount of sputtering about philosophy will make you Bruce Lee. Lee was a brilliant martial artist and I would daresay the best. His name is familiar with almost any martial arts practitioner 33 years after his death.

Your attempts to be like him can't lie in quoting his philosophy.

Despite whatever honest effort you might put forth, you strike me as just another kid who thinks he's something that he's not.

And at 18, you're not on your way to a philosophy major; you just started. And I know that you can't possibly know that much from a few months of college education.

Take care.

[mr goodcat]

Shut up, happeh.

go get a life porkey

[jubaji]

ignorance, like all life needs substance to live, to kill the ignorance, the provider must also abolish the substance.

if youre that smart in philosophy youd also know that it is not the truth, neither is science, there is no truth, there is only opinion and what is and is not accepted and agreed upon, i dont care how many years you have in going around in circles with your philosophy or teaching, the person who really learns is the person who observes other than teaches, for a teacher knowingly or unknowingly sticks in much of his opinion with the stuff he/she is trying to teach.

Shut up, happeh.

[mr goodcat]

it depends on your school of thought whether you believe there is objective truth.

The issue with your assertation is that you apply the philosophy in such a way that it appears you do not have comprehension of the subject.

For instance with regards to expressing the human body, Bruce was not referring to technique, but rather to dead patterns. He was not advocating that there were not proper ways to move. One of the core principles of his philosophy is conservation of movement. This means that there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Additionally he promoted effectiveness, so a technique that fails to achieve it's purpose a large percentage of the time would not fit in his philosphy.

The next area is hitting without intention. This is more than simply doing a technique from "no Mind" that is simply a conditioned response which increases response time. Bruce advocated hiding your attack, by not telegraphing your intention to strike. Thus a process of removing your tells, your preperation to hit, and anything else that would signal an attack was coming.

None of this means that you can throw some technique correctly or not and follow this philosphy. For examply your side kick, There are many ways to throw a side kick depending on the school of thought you follow, but there are also incorrect ways. For instance, not pivoting at all, while possible is unsound as it leads to injury and a loss of power. So saying you can throw it any way at all because it is an honest expression of the human body is incorrect. It may only be a contrived expression based on a lack of knowledge of proper mechanics.

i know i always felt there is no wrong way to do a side kick unless it hurts, in any other case a side kick should fit ones own self expression, a unique form and way that one expresses himself through his side kick, not hurting himself at all, i understand this philosophy plenty, but in an effort to use my own words and not completely copy someone elses i sometimes dont explain it well and will take the reader in another direction

[eXcessiveForce]

it depends on your school of thought whether you believe there is objective truth.

The issue with your assertation is that you apply the philosophy in such a way that it appears you do not have comprehension of the subject.

For instance with regards to expressing the human body, Bruce was not referring to technique, but rather to dead patterns. He was not advocating that there were not proper ways to move. One of the core principles of his philosophy is conservation of movement. This means that there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Additionally he promoted effectiveness, so a technique that fails to achieve it's purpose a large percentage of the time would not fit in his philosphy.

The next area is hitting without intention. This is more than simply doing a technique from "no Mind" that is simply a conditioned response which increases response time. Bruce advocated hiding your attack, by not telegraphing your intention to strike. Thus a process of removing your tells, your preperation to hit, and anything else that would signal an attack was coming.

None of this means that you can throw some technique correctly or not and follow this philosphy. For examply your side kick, There are many ways to throw a side kick depending on the school of thought you follow, but there are also incorrect ways. For instance, not pivoting at all, while possible is unsound as it leads to injury and a loss of power. So saying you can throw it any way at all because it is an honest expression of the human body is incorrect. It may only be a contrived expression based on a lack of knowledge of proper mechanics.

[mr goodcat]

ignorance, like all life needs substance to live, to kill the ignorance, the provider must also abolish the substance.

if youre that smart in philosophy youd also know that it is not the truth, neither is science, there is no truth, there is only opinion and what is and is not accepted and agreed upon, i dont care how many years you have in going around in circles with your philosophy or teaching, the person who really learns is the person who observes other than teaches, for a teacher knowingly or unknowingly sticks in much of his opinion with the stuff he/she is trying to teach.

[mr goodcat]

That's the problem, we do understand what you are saying. We even understand the context the quotes were given in the framework provided by the person who said them.


This is not something you can say. You do not understand the framework and so you miss the point of the words. You think you understand but it is apparent to those of us who have spent a much longer time that 6 years researching that you do not.

You appear to only understand the surface, but not the depth.

Thought without action is meaningless.

not all those who wonder are lost ; not all those who learn year by year are slow.

[eXcessiveForce]

LOL!!!! lucky I can count to 10.