Effective Immediately

[Tom Yum]

Lloyd Kennedy and the CPSD are no longer affiliated with the “Wednesday Night Group” or any other JKD group or organization for the following reasons:

1. We are not sport.

2. We are not ring format.

3. We have nothing to prove, other than that we are solid instructors.

4. We are not trying to change anyone's way of training.

5. We don't train anyone under 18, sometimes 21, depending upon

the person's mental state.

6. We don't boast.

7. We don't answer political questions.

The only exceptions to this, and we do mean the only exceptions, are Sifu John McNabney in Detroit, Michigan, and Sifu Carl Lewis in Wales, UK.

You would have been fine stopping your post here!

If you considered what you wrote, you could have fine tuned it to explain that you wish to go different directions because of different emphasis....but you go on to say....

The rest of you have shown no knowledge of the military, police, corrections, and have shown absolutely zero knowledge about real street situations. You would be better off teaching tetherball.

Sheesh!

[Rudy Franco]

I just read Tim's site. Specifically, the bio section. It's too much to cut and paste, but allow me to synopsize.

Bert poe and Sonny Bygum, two deceased former members of the group are credited with much of the overall training spirit of the bunch. Poe was a Marine in Korea, and left service due to a shrapnel injury. This injury eventually led to his demise in 1993. His colleague, Mr. Bygum was one of the original frogmen, a Navy UDT swimmer. To say that these men knew nothing of combat is insane, especially coming from a non-military, non-law-enforcement pogue. Moving on to the ones who are still there.

Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell are self-described bikers who worked the bars in Barstow. I've been there. if they indeed worked where they say they did, they know all about fighting. As some of the regulars here are aware, I was also a bouncer for many years, and those lessons are some of the most enlightening of my entire martial life. I have no doubts that fighting swarms of people, drunks, and cocky Naval Infantrymen (sorry all you Marines out there...I couldn't pass it up) taught them many of the same lesson I learned, and more.

Bremer has a well-known reputation for being a fighter way back when Bruce Lee was alive. Nuff said.

Tim Tackett was deployed to Taiwan, which is hardly comparable to doing JROTC time stateside. And if you've never been sent away to another country by your government (and I mean in any capacity, let alone for three years) then you have no right - none whatsoever - to run your mouth and slander the service of those who have. Further, Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada. Franco: you saying those guys suck?

Now, and this is a big point for me, the group of men you are trash-talking are around or beyond the 60-year-old mark. What do you want from them? Should they be slamming each other to the ground every night? Should they be going full-tilt-boogie with heavy rattan, or blasting each other in the face? Here's where you show that you're a puppy, Rudy. These men have earned the right to train what they enjoy. They've done their fighting, and survived their battles. They've worn uniforms and collected their scars. The reason they know they can fight is because they have, and in so doing, they probably learned a lesson that appears to escape you completely. They learned that there's always someone better out there, and walking around trying to be a badass is a good way to meet that person in the most unfortunate of ways. You insult this group of men who've seen and done everything you aspire to like they've never walked the ground you have, to date, been unable or unwilling to walk. Where have you served, Rudy? Does your authority to criticize come from the certificate on your wall, or the shrapnel in your spine?

I think, after looking over both websites, that the real issue is far removed from anyone's taste in jokes or business models. Someone wiser than I once said the things you tend to find the most difficulty with in others are the very issues you need to deal with in yourself. You could have been a man about this and dealt with Tim Tackett and his group man to man. You chose instead to pull a stunt akin to a political campaign. You could have left it alone, knowing that all parties involved had read your manifesto. You could have lived up to your own bullshit and let it go. Tim Tackett obviously did. You've come across like an adolescent, temper-tantrum-throwing, wet behind the ears puppy. That was made worse still by running to your instructor in a modern-day, keyboard warrior version of "My Daddy can beat up your Daddy." Like it or not, you've handled yourself badly, and you've made a mockery of all the things you hoped would make you look good. What's worse, you're probably still sitting in your chair trying to convince yourself that all this is being said by someone who just doesn't know you or how you train. This isn't about who's better, who can fight, or who can teach. It's not about martial arts at all, really.

It's about manners, class, and basic respect. You've shown precious little of any of them.

Bert Poe and Sonny Bygum are dead and are not the the driving force behind the so called WNG anymore. Tackett's senior students have left him. What is he left with Tim Tackett's WNG. We left Bob Bremer out of it and Sewel's in Tenn. not worrying about it.

"Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada." Franco: you saying those guys suck?"

Are they members of the WNG? No they are not, so where is the connection.

The service issue has been addressed.

You don't know shit about me, I don't have any certificates hanging on a wall, just promotions in a folder somewhere. But a piece of paper won't help you in the street anyway.

Blah, blah, blah keyboard warrior Blah, blah, blah Daddy blah blah blah shoulda woulda coulda blah blah blah silence is not innocence Blah blah blah I buy into the propaganda Blah blah blah

What battles has Tackett survived?

The only scars he has are from shaving. You are out of your f***ing mind.

I know you have to show strong for the other punks but **** you and anybody else who doesn't like my methods or ways. You had your minds made up long ago, either way what's done is done.

What I posted is just the tip of the iceberg. Hey, Tackett let's not forget I turned your instructorship down when I was a mere green belt. What was that six-seven years ago?

So what is our motivation money? Fame? Converts? How about the truth, because remember, we don't teach JKD. You are all a bunch of ill informed clowns grasping at straws and defending a lost cause. The WNG is through.

[Rudy Franco]

I just read Tim's site. Specifically, the bio section. It's too much to cut and paste, but allow me to synopsize.

Bert poe and Sonny Bygum, two deceased former members of the group are credited with much of the overall training spirit of the bunch. Poe was a Marine in Korea, and left service due to a shrapnel injury. This injury eventually led to his demise in 1993. His colleague, Mr. Bygum was one of the original frogmen, a Navy UDT swimmer. To say that these men knew nothing of combat is insane, especially coming from a non-military, non-law-enforcement pogue. Moving on to the ones who are still there.

Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell are self-described bikers who worked the bars in Barstow. I've been there. if they indeed worked where they say they did, they know all about fighting. As some of the regulars here are aware, I was also a bouncer for many years, and those lessons are some of the most enlightening of my entire martial life. I have no doubts that fighting swarms of people, drunks, and cocky Naval Infantrymen (sorry all you Marines out there...I couldn't pass it up) taught them many of the same lesson I learned, and more.

Bremer has a well-known reputation for being a fighter way back when Bruce Lee was alive. Nuff said.

Tim Tackett was deployed to Taiwan, which is hardly comparable to doing JROTC time stateside. And if you've never been sent away to another country by your government (and I mean in any capacity, let alone for three years) then you have no right - none whatsoever - to run your mouth and slander the service of those who have. Further, Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada. Franco: you saying those guys suck?

Now, and this is a big point for me, the group of men you are trash-talking are around or beyond the 60-year-old mark. What do you want from them? Should they be slamming each other to the ground every night? Should they be going full-tilt-boogie with heavy rattan, or blasting each other in the face? Here's where you show that you're a puppy, Rudy. These men have earned the right to train what they enjoy. They've done their fighting, and survived their battles. They've worn uniforms and collected their scars. The reason they know they can fight is because they have, and in so doing, they probably learned a lesson that appears to escape you completely. They learned that there's always someone better out there, and walking around trying to be a badass is a good way to meet that person in the most unfortunate of ways. You insult this group of men who've seen and done everything you aspire to like they've never walked the ground you have, to date, been unable or unwilling to walk. Where have you served, Rudy? Does your authority to criticize come from the certificate on your wall, or the shrapnel in your spine?

I think, after looking over both websites, that the real issue is far removed from anyone's taste in jokes or business models. Someone wiser than I once said the things you tend to find the most difficulty with in others are the very issues you need to deal with in yourself. You could have been a man about this and dealt with Tim Tackett and his group man to man. You chose instead to pull a stunt akin to a political campaign. You could have left it alone, knowing that all parties involved had read your manifesto. You could have lived up to your own bullshit and let it go. Tim Tackett obviously did. You've come across like an adolescent, temper-tantrum-throwing, wet behind the ears puppy. That was made worse still by running to your instructor in a modern-day, keyboard warrior version of "My Daddy can beat up your Daddy." Like it or not, you've handled yourself badly, and you've made a mockery of all the things you hoped would make you look good. What's worse, you're probably still sitting in your chair trying to convince yourself that all this is being said by someone who just doesn't know you or how you train. This isn't about who's better, who can fight, or who can teach. It's not about martial arts at all, really.

It's about manners, class, and basic respect. You've shown precious little of any of them.

Bert Poe and Sonny Bygum are dead and are not the the driving force behind the so called WNG anymore. Tackett's senior students have left him. What is he left with Tim Tackett's WNG. We left Bob Bremer out of it and Sewel's in Tenn. not worrying about it.

"Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada." Franco: you saying those guys suck?"

Are they members of the WNG? No they are not, so where is the connection.

The service issue has been addressed.

You don't know shit about me, I don't have any certificates hand on a wall, just promotions in a folder somewhere. But a piece of paper won't help you in the street anyway.

Blah, blah, blah keyboard warrior Blah, blah, blah Daddy blah blah blah shoulda woulda coulda blah blah blah silence is not innocence Blah blah blah

What battles has Tackett survived?

The only scars he has are from shaving. You are out of your f***ing mind.

I know you have to show strong for the other punks but **** you and anybody else who doesn't like my methods or ways. You had your minds made up long ago, either way what's done is done.

What I posted is just the tip of the iceberg. Hey, Tackett let's not forget I turned your instructorship down when I was a mere green belt. What was that six-seven years ago?

So what is our motivation money? Fame? Converts? How about the truth, because remember, we don't teach JKD. You are all a bunch of ill informed clowns grasping at straws and defending a lost cause. The WNG is through.

[ncgf]

Mike,

That what i said...lol.



Rudy,

I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly, happy people?....lol

[ncgf]

With who, Rudy or Tackett?

neither.

but i have seen both websites, and i have to say, as an example of a martial arts instructor under the dreaded and deadly lloyd kennedy, its obvious that being in shape isnt a requirement for instructorship under him. I have to wonder exactly how long Rudy had to stay down on Lloyd to get the "senior instructorship"..lol

now lets wait for Rudy to tell us that in spite of his obesity, he is an in shape badass mf and will, no doubt, kick my ass if I come to Cali...lol.

[g-bells]

carpe diem gentleman

[ncgf]

carpe diem gentleman

or in Rudy's case,

carpe twinkie

lol

[g-bells]

mr franco all politics aside, i don't know you or mr tackett for that matter, but to openly piss on a man of his history in a public forum in my opinion is wrong.

i mean no disrespect to you but thats just my oppinion

[Rudy Franco]

I know quite a bit about you. I don't care about certificates or all the neat little red electrical-tape-stripes on your belt. I don't even care that someone else here thinks your eating habits are more diligent than your training habits. Like I said, and I'll use small words, THIS IS NOT ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS. IT'S ABOUT YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF CLASS.

My God! You can't see what a "I took my own Mom to the Prom" vibe that puts out?

For someone who's supposed to be this self-defense wonder, you sure seem to lack the confidence of your convictions. Gotta consult with witnesses and friends and instructors before posting an explanation for your own points of view? Guess how many friends and instructors I consulted with.

Mike,

You don't know shit about me, I never went to finishing school and I quit my "class" class. My mom was in jail, so I took your mom to the prom after party and sold her for an eight ball of crank, to which she promptly demanded half. Never claimed to be a wonder and I am glad you like looking at my picture, it gets me all moist in my nether regions that I haven't seen in a long time. I don't have any convictions all the charges were dropped, your mom didn't press charges. None, because you don't have any. Seize the day, we can all carpool to Lloyd's for a BBQ, I love BBQ. How bout you, tough guys?

[Rudy Franco]

mr franco all politics aside, i don't know you or mr tackett for that matter, but to openly piss on a man of his history in a public forum in my opinion is wrong.

i mean no disrespect to you but thats just my oppinion

At least you were civil, and all I can do is respect your opinion.
Tackett is a big boy he can take care of himself.

[Rudy Franco]

All this posturing, name calling,and insults flying back and forth, but none of you have disproved a single word I have written. You've talked about class and what a man would do, but not one of you has disproved a single word I have written. You talked about my weight and shape but still none you have not disproved a single word I have written. You've commented that I have no convictions or mind of my own but not one of you has disproved a single word I have written. You have talked about certified and I have stated qualified but none of you have not disproved a single word I have written.You want to hear what you want but none of you have not disproved a single word I have written. You have claimed I am an asshole, egotist, tactless but not of you have not disproved a single word I have written. You have implied that I am weak minded and a hypocrite but not one of you have not disproved a single word I have written. You are all a bunch of emotional phonies who claim this isn't about what I say it is about but still none of you have not disproved a single word I have written. None of you were there in the first place to even have a clue. I know I have helped some silent individual from making a mistake about his/her training choice and for that I sleep well at night. If the rest of you want to keep believing in the wizard of JKD, just remember I pulled back the sheet.

PS This is my final word, but you all are free to keep it going.

[jubaji]

You don't know shit about me

Great, can't we leave it that way? In other words, STFU sack-breath.

[Thai Bri]

Rudy,

You stepped up to the line and started a shit storm. Then lost.

Get over it and have another doughnut.

[Ghost]

lol just spotted sometihing in your post mike there is a diaganal line in it which says this this this class class class class. sorry totally unrelated lol

on topic, i really dont see the point of this thread, you either train with or you dont. dont need an announcement just do what you see fit and get on with it. no point burning bridges in the process

[ncgf]

All this posturing, name calling,and insults flying back and forth, but none of you have disproved a single word I have written. You've talked about class and what a man would do, but not one of you has disproved a single word I have written. You talked about my weight and shape but still none you have not disproved a single word I have written. You've commented that I have no convictions or mind of my own but not one of you has disproved a single word I have written. You have talked about certified and I have stated qualified but none of you have not disproved a single word I have written.You want to hear what you want but none of you have not disproved a single word I have written. You have claimed I am an asshole, egotist, tactless but not of you have not disproved a single word I have written. You have implied that I am weak minded and a hypocrite but not one of you have not disproved a single word I have written. You are all a bunch of emotional phonies who claim this isn't about what I say it is about but still none of you have not disproved a single word I have written. None of you were there in the first place to even have a clue. I know I have helped some silent individual from making a mistake about his/her training choice and for that I sleep well at night. If the rest of you want to keep believing in the wizard of JKD, just remember I pulled back the sheet.

Actually Rudy, it would be for you to prove that what you claimed was true. Becasue you stated it is not "proof" but rather, merely your perception or perhaps creation.

One cannot, technically, prove a negative (or disprove in your mistated case). But hen again, I am sure, in your inifinite wisdom, and let us not foget, kindness (since you did this all to protect the poor, uniformed..lol).

Again, because you perceive it to be thus, does not mean that it is. That is not proof, so there isnt anything actually to "disprove. Now is you chose to offer real, verifiable proof other than the words of a attention-starved trekkie, then we might be able to proceed to determining the veracity (that means truth, dude...lol) of the matter (if we even really cared about what you said). Hell, there are still people who believe the world is flat. That doesnt mean it is so. Because you have a perception of something or someone, is not "proof" it is so.

And the only provable claim I can make about you is that you are fat and out of shape (and as en extension of the fatness, eat too much from a caloric perspective). Actually, your own website offers the initial proof of your weak-willed condition in the form of photos.

And, while I cant prove that you sleep well at night, I can be fairly certain that you definitely eat well...lol

Speaking of OZ (since Rudy was), Rudy makes me think of the scarecrow character...I can just see Rudy singing.."if i only had a brain"...lol

Til the next time, scarecrow,

Ciao Bella