Is There Any Difference Between Jeet Kune Do And Jun Fan Gung Fu ?

[Thai Bri]

"I'm neither as fast as X, strong as Y, nor as flexible as Z; hence I fight to MY strong suites."

I'd give up if I were you. You sound like a dead loss.

[grimel]

TB,you are in serious need of

[Nutz]

As I stated in another thread,

To claim JKD as a system is something of a misnomer (and is becoming a common misconception). In fact its not a style at all. Jun Fan (Kung Fu?) was a set "system", but JKD in my standing is not. It wasn't until I started reading forums like this one that I understood what Bruce meant by him regretting giving what he did a name (JKD). He feared people would not take it for what it is and make it into something its not. I fully believe Dan got it right when he split off with the Concepts point of view. JKD is not a martial arts system for anyone else but Bruce Lee. JKD was his "way" and nobody elses. Jeet Kune Do means way of the intercepting fist. For BL that may have worked due to his lightning speed. For me, my "way" may follow a more HKE/GMF notion. For everyone else all we have is the concepts Bruce developed to train with--economy of motion, using what works for a given individual, etc. If anything, JKD represents an ideology for how to find one's particular "way".

Jun Fan was more of a set system that Bruce developed (read: modified WC). Some claim it as a fledgling JKD, but personally I don't see it that way (see above). Anywho, the drills and training methods of someone utilizing the concepts Bruce developed (a.k.a. JKD) may be similar to Jun Fan, but that's no different from training methods seen in Kali, Boxing, or whatever else a given instructor may borrow from. For example, if someone were to have a lot of grappling experience, it'd be easy to see how their "way" has adopted that experience. Larry Harsell is a prime example in this respect.

[akja]

Originally posted by Nutz
As I stated in another thread,

Jun Fan was more of a set system that Bruce developed (read: modified WC). Some claim it as a fledgling JKD, but personally I don't see it that way (see above). Anywho, the drills and training methods of someone utilizing the concepts Bruce developed (a.k.a. JKD) may be similar to Jun Fan, but that's no different from training methods seen in Kali, Boxing, or whatever else a given instructor may borrow from. For example, if someone were to have a lot of grappling experience, it'd be easy to see how their "way" has adopted that experience. Larry Harsell is a prime example in this respect.

I see right and wrong in your views. The name of Jun Fan may be used by some people to make money but for some of us, we use it to establish that we were trained with a close link to Bruce and his teachings. Jun Fan as taught by Bruce was "Bruces" but he gave it to his students, so it became "theirs."

Jun Fan was more than a system just for Bruce. It was taught to my Sigung by Bruce and James Lee. In turn my Sifu and Sigung teach the "original" under an "expanded format" which makes it their own, but it stays in line with the original.

Larry Hartsell is not a "pure" grappler. He's a JKD/Grappler and good at it.

Just like JKD is differant depending on the instructor and his his instructors, Jun Fan can be differant. Jun Fan as was taught to me, was taught by someone who knew Bruce that was NOT a part of the "concept" camp.

Dan Inosanto is a great martial artist but there are those out there who were taught from Bruce "differantly" than the way Dan was taught. So who is right and who is wrong? There is no right or wrong.

There should be no division of 2 JKD camps (OJKD & JKDC). That is the biggest sin in the JKD world. It would sound better if it was read Original Jeet Kune DO Concepts!

Jun Fan and Jeet Kune Do are 2 halves of the whole for many of us. That is the way we "discovered" ourselves" but for those that "discover" their martial path along a differant line. No problem but there shouldn't bea definate of who's "way" is the "way."

Martial Art as taught by Bruce Lee "can and is" Jun Fan and Jeet Kune Do. Bruce evolved, his art evolved and the name changed. His students grew there own branches on Bruces tree and some grew there own trees but we are all still one JKD brotherhood.

[Skull X22]

OMG!

*Sigh*

Cantoonese: Jeet Kune Do
Mandarin: Jun Fan

They mean the same thing. Only that theire from 2 different chinese languages!

[akja]

Re: OMG!

Originally posted by Skull X22
*Sigh*

Cantoonese: Jeet Kune Do
Mandarin: Jun Fan

They mean the same thing. Only that theire from 2 different chinese languages!

Jeet Kune Do translates the way of the intercepting fist and Jun Fan is Bruces real name that he was born Lee Jun Fan.

[WaTEr]

Jeet kune do mean notthing it is merely a label. a ticket to get one across from there it is to be taken off and not carried on ones back.

[Hunter P]

Jun Fan is Bruce Lee's cantonese name. Jun Fan Gung Fu is Bruce Lee's Gung Fu. Gung Fu is cantonese for Kung Fu therefore Bruce Lee's Kung Fu. Also knows as Jeet Kune Do.

And so there is no difference between Jeet Kune Do and Jun Fan Gung Fu cause they are one in the same.

[Ninja Kl0wn]

If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from "this" or from "that," then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it.

[WaTEr]

d*** it! jeet kune do notthing like it. gung fu (chinese kickboxing). jeet kune do is notthing so how can you relate it to jun fan gung fu.

[Nutz]

Originally posted by WaTEr
d*** it! jeet kune do notthing like it. gung fu (chinese kickboxing). jeet kune do is notthing so how can you relate it to jun fan gung fu.

Many of JKD's roots are actually from JFGF. They just matured and evolved over time.

By the way, I never meant to infer that Larry Hartsell was a pure grappler. I just meant that he took the lead in integrating the grappling arts into the fold of JKD. He's been doing this stuff for as long as I remember, which dates back far before the UFC and BJJ hit the scene. If you've seen him in person you'd see he's as good on his feet as he is on the ground. You should see his hands and trapping. You can just see where he's been influenced by boxing and training with Dan.

[akja]

Originally posted by Nutz


Many of JKD's roots are actually from JFGF. They just matured and evolved over time.

Thats right!

For those who think that Jun Fan Gung-Fu and Jeet Kune Do are nothing. Heres my Sifus school that evolved from jun Fan Gung-Fu;

http://www.geocities.com/Tao_Of_Gung_Fu/The_Nucleus_Of_Gung_Fu.html

[M@T]

Keysi's Fighting System is another JKD Concept taught by Justo Dieguez who was an Inosanto student I believe.

Keysi Fighting System

I went to one of his seminars once and the guy is superb. Its a mix of Muay Thai, Brazilian Ju Jitsu, Vale Tudo and Silat to produce an all round fighting system.

Much more effective than kickboxing IMO and a little dirty aswell. He showed us several dirty tricks including stabbing people in the face with your house keys and eye gouges etc.

Nice

[Skull X22]

You think you know more then you do...

Originally posted by WaTEr
d*** it! jeet kune do notthing like it. gung fu (chinese kickboxing). jeet kune do is notthing so how can you relate it to jun fan gung fu.

Phhhhhh!

If you think that JKD isn't Kung Fu, then your dumb. A Kung Fu style is different from another Kung Fu style. Like when you see Jet Li fight, then you can say "That aint kung fu, he doesent do anything from what we do!". Well, There is a huge difference from example Southern Shaolin WuShu and Tumbling Quan! Jeet Kune Do is the same thing. That it doesent look like the Kung Fu you are used to doesent mean that it isn't Kung Fu! Sure, It isn't anything like other styles of Kung Fu, But it is still WuShu. Since Bruce Lee was an Kung Fu artist, he made he's own style. Becous when you are a Martial Artist, You always find bad things about Martial Art styles. That way you wanna fix it, right? But you can't fix a style that allready exist. That's why you make one up!

[shasan]

Jeet Kune Do is the whole philosophy of a style without a style. But having a 'no style style' was probably a little hard without actually having some techniques. Bruce Lee happened to pick up a lot of techniques from Gung Fu.

Saying that JFGF (a style with fixed techniques) MUST be the basis of JKD is a contradiction in terms.