What TKD patterns do you study?

[GranFire]

Well I'm really not too concerned heh, but theres a million other hardcore ITF'ers that would condemn your school, not saying that to be a jerk, I just know from experience. I've been taught 3 federations styles so I'm not as worried about who does what. My instructor was originally WTF, then when I joined we were ITF, then he switched to GTF after I got my black belt and when I left him I went back to ITF and living in Thailand I've trained alot of WTF. I'm not saying doing something different from what I'm doing is wrong, (I've done alot of different styles!) I'm just arguing about the way it seems your instructor is inferring the roots of his style didnt come from ITF. Dont be too angry at me because I'm just continuing the debate for the sake of debating, what you and your instructor do is no business of mine heh and all the power to you guys. But I'll throw this at you anyway:

You are implying that your federation only shares a few names out of coincidence.... really? In the same order? But the moves are all different? I'm sure the only differences are the ones your instructor did and thought of himself. I'm positive at one time he was in the ITF and after he left he implemented a bunch of changes. In my opinion this is wrong.... but so what..... lots of people break off and do something similar, doesnt mean they can't teach TKD well. Or can't fight well. But to me if I were to break off there would be only 2 options. One is to continue teaching the ITF style and freely admit it and if anyone asks just tell them I love ITF TKD but couldnt stand the politics and federation OR I would get rid of everything and just be independant and not use anything that resembled my previous affiliation. To me when you do something in the middle you risk looking like a bad copy of something much bigger and I would'nt want that. Either stay exactly the same or completely different is the way to go.

Anyway, like I said, no business of mine, just giving my opinion.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

My instructor has been ITA for twenty years.

www.itaonline.com have fun reading about the founders...

I understand that there are millions of XYZ members that condem anything somebody else does...I am not a newbie to interrnet forums...

I am saying that they chose the same names for their forms because they dipped into the same history...if you where to dig into the USA's history to name something for 20 times, eventualy you'd come up with duplicates, George Washington and John F. Kennedy...and it doesn't mean you stole it.

You just assume from the name that it is a copy. And as the Antagonist to Steven Segal in *Under Siege II* remarked: "Assumtions are the mother of all Screwups"

[Damian Mavis]

Ok....... first page states a blatant lie... TKD is 4000 years old? Its just over 50 years old. Not a good sign if they are promoting that kind of propoganda. Don't know why you wanted me to check that site out. It only made me more critical and it just states that the founders started TKD BEFORE they formed ITA and its obvious by the copying of the pattern names IN THE EXACT SAME ORDER that they were ITF style before they broke off and formed ITA. Like I said, none of this matters, but you should face reality and accept or they should admit that they were in the beginning ITF. That's all I'm arguing with you about at this point. They took some things from ITF such as patterns, that's fine but admit to it for crying out loud don't pretend you made them yourself or that they come from 4000 years ago.

It would help if I could see video of your patterns in action, if they are completely different then I will concede all your group did was take a list of names and use them in the exact same order to name their own patterns.


Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

[ITFDespoja]

1.Chon-Ji
2.Tan-Gun
3.To-San
4.Won-Hyo
5.Yul-Guk
6.Joong-Gun
7.Toi-Gye
8.Hwa-Rang
9.Choong-Moo
10.Kwan-Gye

my patterns and thats the good thing about itf. we have all same not like the wtf

[GranFire]

Ok....... first page states a blatant lie... TKD is 4000 years old? Its just over 50 years old. Not a good sign if they are promoting that kind of propoganda. Don't know why you wanted me to check that site out. It only made me more critical and it just states that the founders started TKD BEFORE they formed ITA and its obvious by the copying of the pattern names IN THE EXACT SAME ORDER that they were ITF style before they broke off and formed ITA. Like I said, none of this matters, but you should face reality and accept or they should admit that they were in the beginning ITF. That's all I'm arguing with you about at this point. They took some things from ITF such as patterns, that's fine but admit to it for crying out loud don't pretend you made them yourself or that they come from 4000 years ago.

It would help if I could see video of your patterns in action, if they are completely different then I will concede all your group did was take a list of names and use them in the exact same order to name their own patterns.


Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

Go punch a bag or something!

[ITFDespoja]

Damian Mavis? what are u fuckn talkin about? ITA ? seroiusly man if u are not wtf or itf go hm and do something else

[GranFire]

Damian Mavis? what are u fuckn talkin about? ITA ? seroiusly man if u are not wtf or itf go hm and do something else

Ah, what the hell...I am having a lousy week...why not blow of some steam...

1) It doesn't make you a man to use foul language...
2) Your Sabumnim failed misserably to teach you humility.
3) You are closeminded. Heaven help you, have you considered you could actually learn something from a different approach?!
4) History and Tradition are far reaching, they do not stop or start at a certain point. According to Tuttle Martial Arts on TKD there was no unison between the schools of Korean Martial Arts in the 1950s, no more than there is now...which one is the real root of TaeKwonDo?!

[Damian Mavis]

Well GranFire, all it takes is one unintelligent non-full-thread-reading insulting moron to bring us all together and give us some unity right?!

ITFDespoja...... did you read more than one post? Or did you at least read ONE post fully? I AM ITF nitwit, learn to read. And don't be so insulting when you have a difference of opinion.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

[GranFire]

Well GranFire, all it takes is one unintelligent non-full-thread-reading insulting moron to bring us all together and give us some unity right?!

ITFDespoja...... did you read more than one post? Or did you at least read ONE post fully? I AM ITF nitwit, learn to read. And don't be so insulting when you have a difference of opinion.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

!LOL!

[Damian Mavis]

Geeze... you guys see what's happening in my neck of the woods on the news? Life in Thailand aint boring....

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

[GranFire]

Geeze... you guys see what's happening in my neck of the woods on the news? Life in Thailand aint boring....

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

And? Think my life is boring...what does that got to do with anything?

[Damian Mavis]

Nothing to do with TKD.... just was checking the internet and posting as I watched the military take over my city on TV..... that stuff doesn't happen back in Ottawa Canada heh. I was being funny about it not being boring..... dont you think a little more boring would be preferable than worrying about getting imprisoned or shot by military gone crazy?

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

[GranFire]

Good point.

[13ang]

my school does the ITF forms, but we dont do it the gay way the other itf schools do it.. wtf is with all that bobbing up and down, seriously?

[Damian Mavis]

Well I dont know, you should have asked General Choi THE FOUNDER of TKD before he died since he created the forms and the way we do them. If you're going to do the ITF forms you should do them properly, any other way is a poor copy of the real thing. Your instructor should simply choose another set of forms that does not incorporate SINE WAVE if he doesnt want to teach that principle. If you are not using sine wave you are the minority, a million other people doing ITF forms are using sine wave.

Now that I've said hat, I dont actually have any allegiance to sine wave myself, I do it, I teach it, but only becuase it is part of the art I am associated with. I have no loyalty to it out of belief that it actually helps in generating power any more than I am loyal to any other principle that is said to generate more power since there are several different ones. Kinda like religion, I just cant pick one and assume its the true way.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

[osopardo]

Good Lawd!

Y'all realize this thread is more than two years old?!?

Personal lifestyle changes since my first response and I'm no longer studying TKD formally. But I still do several forms early each morning as a type of stretching warm-up before (or sometimes in lieu of) strength training.

It also calms my mind and "centers" me somewhat.


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