Why do sports TKD participants don't keep hands up?

[npk9]

So why don't you beat all the WTF fighters and go to the Olympics?

The reason is, you don't know what you are talking about. You never fought a top level WTF athlete. If you had, you would know that it does matte how good you are at evading, just like you would know that if you fought a good boxer, which you also have never done.

You need more experience.

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Are you a top level competitor? This is a legitimate question.
If you are and are in the US - particularly in the East coast I would love to meet you and have a match and compare skills and techniques.

Also to address your last post:

Are you kidding me?

Just look at any youtube clip and you'll see that more then half of the knockouts could be prevented with the guy or girl kept there hands up. The kicks are usually the lower level of the head or jaw which are preventable.

I have not seen Crocop styled kicks (where knockouts are created from hitting the top part of the head over the persons guard) in TKD.


So. . . Now its your turn to prove your stance in this discussion.

[GranFire]

Well, read my thread 'We have a knock out' it does not take much to put somebody on the floor when the stars are alined just right!

When I told my hubby about it he said "That's called a concussion!" yep, it is. And ever since Troy Aikman we know what concussions can do to a person...

(to me it's just begging for a kick to the head when the hands are around/below the belt...but thT's just me..)

[TKD Student]

Our trainers are EXTREME at this point... They tell us all the time that we have to keep our hands up. If only ONE person is not doing it, the entire group can get push-ups as a penalty. I actually think this is good. They teach us how to do this in the right way.

[dodgeduckdodge]

Are you a top level competitor? This is a legitimate question.
If you are and are in the US - particularly in the East coast I would love to meet you and have a match and compare skills and techniques.

Also to address your last post:

Are you kidding me?

Just look at any youtube clip and you'll see that more then half of the knockouts could be prevented with the guy or girl kept there hands up. The kicks are usually the lower level of the head or jaw which are preventable.

I have not seen Crocop styled kicks (where knockouts are created from hitting the top part of the head over the persons guard) in TKD.


So. . . Now its your turn to prove your stance in this discussion.

Try this. Enter the USAT 18 to 29 year old black belt division at a regional qualifier, film it and put it on youtube, then get back to me.

Otherwise, you just won't ever understand.

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[dodgeduckdodge]

who what?


who got knocked out?
In the olympic festival in st. louis (when tkd was added to the olympics) there was a TKO when one guy took a spin hook kick to the nose. The guy was unable to continue. So that was two Olympic fighters.

I've seen more people that I don't even know there names. I've been in TKD for over 25 years now. At a local tournament I saw one guy hit the deck with no pulse and carried out on a backboard. He didn't keep his hands up.

I've seen orbital sockets and cheeks smashed

There are also a few deaths in tournaments from kicks to the head.

Not guarding you head is stupid.

Like wise if they learned to keep their hands in the right position they wouldn't need the hogu.

Olympic sparring is a game, some of us choose to train for reality. Where we have to block because we aren't wearing a hogu, and foot pads.

Thinking keeping your guard up is the most important thing you have to do is very stupid. Evading is #1, guarding is #2 - just to back up evading.

Many idiots who get in the the WTF ring depending on their guard get knocked out, much more that those who depend on evasion.

As for the hogu, it's not for protection, it's a target. If you think it is for protection, you definately have no clue. Amazing for someone who studied TKD for 25 years?

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[dodgeduckdodge]

Well, read my thread 'We have a knock out' it does not take much to put somebody on the floor when the stars are alined just right!

When I told my hubby about it he said "That's called a concussion!" yep, it is. And ever since Troy Aikman we know what concussions can do to a person...

(to me it's just begging for a kick to the head when the hands are around/below the belt...but thT's just me..)

And you have defeated who, while they had their hands down around their waist?

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[dodgeduckdodge]

Olympic sparring is a game, some of us choose to train for reality. Where we have to block because we aren't wearing a hogu, and foot pads.

Who's reality are you training for? Your instructors? Your own?

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[dodgeduckdodge]

Our trainers are EXTREME at this point... They tell us all the time that we have to keep our hands up. If only ONE person is not doing it, the entire group can get push-ups as a penalty. I actually think this is good. They teach us how to do this in the right way.

Depending on your hand up to guard your head is hilarious. It is a sure sign that the instructor has no clue. Find a better school.

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[npk9]

Try this. Enter the USAT 18 to 29 year old black belt division at a regional qualifier, film it and put it on youtube, then get back to me.

Otherwise, you just won't ever understand.

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I will - actually.

Unfortunately I'm not familair with all the formalities with WTF. Is the USAT part of the WTF???

My question is do I need to be a member and to a pay member fee to even get to compete? Does the school that I train at need to be a member for me to compete as well? Do I have to be a blackbelt in TKD?


Also are you a national competitor in TKD specifically in WTF? (answer the question)

Also - If I do follow through with this then all I ask in return is for you to enter into a San Da or San shou event and utilize the awesome techniques promoted within the WTF and see how effective it is. Otherwise you won't ever understand.

[GranFire]

Depending on your hand up to guard your head is hilarious. It is a sure sign that the instructor has no clue. Find a better school.

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Seems like you have beein kicked in the head to many times....

[npk9]

Evasion is important, never said it wasn't. But you have to be an ignorant fool to rely only on that and not keep your guard up.

There is a big difference between sport and reality. Not everyone chooses to play taekwondo, some of us want to make it effective.

AMEN to that!!!

[GranFire]

well, I was present when a good practitioner got floored by a lucky shot...damn scary, too, because that just doesn't happen.

[TKD Student]

Depending on your hand up to guard your head is hilarious. It is a sure sign that the instructor has no clue. Find a better school.

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So you're saying that our TKD club is bad?
I told you that they teach us how to have a proper and correct guard.
I have only got ONE kick in the head during my 5½ years doing Taekwondo, and that guy had been training longer than me. But that was a couple of years ago...
Nowdays I am both good at defensive and offensive. I have quick and powerful kicks and punches and blocks, but still I always wants to be better ^^

TAEKWON!!

[dodgeduckdodge]

I will - actually.

Unfortunately I'm not familair with all the formalities with WTF. Is the USAT part of the WTF???

My question is do I need to be a member and to a pay member fee to even get to compete? Does the school that I train at need to be a member for me to compete as well? Do I have to be a blackbelt in TKD?


Also are you a national competitor in TKD specifically in WTF? (answer the question)

Also - If I do follow through with this then all I ask in return is for you to enter into a San Da or San shou event and utilize the awesome techniques promoted within the WTF and see how effective it is. Otherwise you won't ever understand.

USAT is the WTF in the USA. You only need to be a "competitive member" of the USAT and you can compete. You have to be a black belt to compete in the black belt division. A black belt in any style will do. Of course, you have to compete using the WTF rules.

Why would I want to compete in San Da? I don't recall discussing it, and I don't even know what it is, so I don't doubt it, nor praise it. Yes, I was a member of the US National Taekwondo Team (WTF).

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[dodgeduckdodge]

I don't need a dot on somebodies chest to tell me where to hit them. I detest hogu's they aren't necessary and limit movement. They also lead to sloppy technique. I rarely ever wear one, and then only when teaching students what they need to know about them for competition.

I don't olympic spar, ( I have in the past). My training is quite different now a days from anything I ever experienced in WTF.

reality, as in what people do in the real world. When you aren't wearing pads, when more than one person may be involved and weapons are a possibility.

Evasion is important, never said it wasn't. But you have to be an ignorant fool to rely only on that and not keep your guard up.

There is a big difference between sport and reality. Not everyone chooses to play taekwondo, some of us want to make it effective.

Cool, you want to talk about the real world? Lets!

Real World Question #1: How did you do in the WTF competition? Ever win nationals, go to team trials or make the national team?

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