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  • #31
    Originally posted by B.Y.O.B.
    I'm not saying what is the best.Like I said before just wrote best just to be there.

    I'm asking who has the advantage when it comes to kicking in the lower, body n head section. But just sum it up in a few words.

    And I'm a Spanish teen from the bronx and TKDperson89 is a Korean teen from Jersey.
    Uh huh, that's why you refer to yourself as a spanish teen......

    yeah, people from the spanish speaking world refer to themselves as spanish.

    TKD_guy89 oh yeah, high Van Damme style kicking is where its at.....

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    • #32
      I didnt say best damn I just put it in poll, just for it to be there! I thought you were saying it as it was a known fact not opinion, plus I did accept your answer, but gave my opinion on what you said.

      Well Tom Yum yes some latins do refer to themselves has a spanish as I did.

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      • #33
        And I am very passionate about my latin heritage so dont ever say I'm not a hispanic, cause I refer to myself as spanish teen ok.

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        • #34
          Get it on....

          Originally posted by MmaFighter152
          The most effective KICKING martial art is unarguably MUAY THAI. Taekwondo uses your FOOT to kick all areas of the body, especially high points which is completely ineffective against an opponent trained to fight in Muay Thai boxing, Kickboxing(Same Thing!), and even Boxing. TKD, kung fu, karate, etc., do not teach one how to properly kick in a fight or even in gentle sparring. I have taken TKD and when I sparred with the dojo's "Master"(a 6th degree i think), I litteraly kicked his ass until he couldnt stand just with basic Muay Thai kicks(No Punches because I would have broke his face). Two TKD blackbelts or any Kung fu, TMartists fighting full contact looks like a joke. Put them up against any one trained in Muay Thai for a few weeks and the MT guy's opponent, no matter what rank, will get smoked!

          It's arguable...

          So B.Y.O.B. I may have been a bit curt with you... I'm old and grumpy! Get over it. I will continue to ignore you because frankly, you bug me.

          Having said that I'd like to offer a token of hospitality. I thought you might like to READ THIS interesting article about a "secret" kicking technique, it's history and just general interest for anyone interested in kicking.


          The Old Okinawan Karate Toe Kick:
          Part 2- Historical Introduction
          By Christopher Caile

          (Excerpt)
          ...Even at the young age of 17 or 18, Nakamura (Kaicho Tadashi Nakamura ) was an exceptionally strong fighter. A few years later he represented Kyokushin as part of a three man team that traveled to Thailand to face the best of their Muay Thai fighters and Nakamura beat Thailand’s Light Heavyweight Champion.


          http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=419

          Thought you might like it too MMA Fighter152....

          Has anyone said there is no best art yet? Only better fighters?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by MmaFighter152
            The most effective KICKING(Punching,Elbowing,Clinching and kneeing too) martial art is unarguably MUAY THAI. Taekwondo uses your FOOT to kick all areas of the body, especially high points which is completely ineffective against an opponent trained to fight in Muay Thai boxing, Kickboxing(Same Thing!), and even Boxing. TKD, kung fu, karate, etc., do not teach one how to properly kick in a fight or even in gentle sparring. I have taken TKD and when I sparred with the dojo's "Master"(a 6th degree i think), I litteraly kicked his ass until he couldnt stand just with basic Muay Thai kicks(No Punches because I would have broke his face). Two TKD blackbelts or any Kung fu, TMartists fighting full contact looks like a joke. Put them up against any one trained in Muay Thai for a few weeks and the MT guy's opponent, no matter what rank, will get smoked!
            You clearly haven't seen the video thats been posted on these forums somewhere of a MT fighter getting the snot kicked out of him by a TKD practitioner.

            I think a large difference in the styles is the rigouresness of the training. MT is big business in place like Thailand due to its place as fights being able to be betted on, TV broadcasts etc. very much like the similar sport of boxing. This means that any dojang (dont know the Thai term) is pretty secure financially if they can make some good fighters, same for boxing. This means in order to be the best an MT or boxer will have to be very athletic to be good on a money making competition circuit. TKD, Kung Fu etc simply don't have that commercial aspect and thus must fund themselves through a different way: being open to all ages, meaning that the art and the way it is taught is still the same but that toughness brought through conditioning isnt there.

            MT is a great art and so is boxing, however put any kung fu, TKD, karate practitioner through that same, harsh physical training and they are on an equal footing.

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            • #36
              Thats half way true, but different arts have different advantages. Like boxing with its punching power and its dodging skills. Muay thai for its kicking power and its elbows.

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              • #37
                When you talk about extremely different arts then yes its true but not when it comes to things that contain kicks, there are VERY little if any difference between them, if one kick from an art was 'the best' then wouldn't all the other arts (subject to heritage and tradition) contain that kick also? Even in Traditional arts techniques are always been added and detracted, borrowed from other martial arts.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by B.Y.O.B.
                  Thats half way true, but different arts have different advantages. Like boxing with its punching power and its dodging skills. Muay thai for its kicking power and its elbows.
                  What I love about Muay Thai is the very particular clinch, really good for disorientating ones opponent and setting them up. I think its kicking power is limited in that each kick is powerful and effective but to a decent kicker like a TKD stylist, they are gonna see that kick last year and the follow through style can make it really bloody powerful, but it can leave the kicker a little open.

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                  • #39
                    Maybe the basic of kicks are similar to other styles, but when you farther study the art the kicks become pretty much different. Like capoeria's kicks becomes way different from other kicks, because it kind of gets UNORTHODOX to other arts.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Piston
                      What I love about Muay Thai is the very particular clinch, really good for disorientating ones opponent and setting them up. I think its kicking power is limited in that each kick is powerful and effective but to a decent kicker like a TKD stylist, they are gonna see that kick last year and the follow through style can make it really bloody powerful, but it can leave the kicker a little open.
                      Agreed, but that's why you see them use hands/arms to set up their leg shots. Disorient with punches/elbows, then swing in a roundhouse which if it connects will take the other guy OUT.

                      And I don't know if you've ever seen Ramon Dekkers back hook/swing kick, but it was as fast as any I've ever seen from TKD.

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                      • #41
                        You want leg speed then look at Buakaw Por Pramuk, the X K-1 MAX champion, they are amazingly fast and accurate.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by MmaFighter152
                          The most effective KICKING(Punching,Elbowing,Clinching and kneeing too) martial art is unarguably MUAY THAI. Taekwondo uses your FOOT to kick all areas of the body, especially high points which is completely ineffective against an opponent trained to fight in Muay Thai boxing, Kickboxing(Same Thing!), and even Boxing. TKD, kung fu, karate, etc., do not teach one how to properly kick in a fight or even in gentle sparring. I have taken TKD and when I sparred with the dojo's "Master"(a 6th degree i think), I litteraly kicked his ass until he couldnt stand just with basic Muay Thai kicks(No Punches because I would have broke his face). Two TKD blackbelts or any Kung fu, TMartists fighting full contact looks like a joke. Put them up against any one trained in Muay Thai for a few weeks and the MT guy's opponent, no matter what rank, will get smoked!
                          Most TKD dojangs are family dojangs, good for you beating up what was most likely a fat middle aged to old man. Heh.

                          Alot of successful full contact fighters have a base in TKD, meaning they were black belts that learned to fight in the rule set of whatever competitve ring they got into (K1, Muay thai etc..) If you throw a TKD guy in a muay thai rule set without preparing him for the change in rules then he will most surely lose. But you cant judge an art based on changing the rules on him and seeing how well he copes, a muay thai pro would lose in a TKD format. The TKD guy would score his points and dance away, does that mean muay thai sucks? Of course not. Its like putting a judo expert in the ring with a boxer and making them fight boxing rules and judging judo as lame because he gets his ass beat. Or vice versa. By the way muay thai pros have gone in the ring in TKD in Thailand and they lost horribly, however when they convert, they are extremely good. The big champion here last year was a muay thai pro that trained up in TKD to black belt and then won all the tournaments. But he had to learn the TKD game in order to do that.

                          The best kicking art is TKD. Name another art that focuses virtually 100% of it's training time and resources to kicks. I train in several arts, Shaolin Kenpo, Muay thai, TKD, boxing and submission grappling. I love muay thai and TKD but TKD over specialises in kicks, nothing else will give you the same level of kicking expertise after 10 years of training. But if you want basic solid self defence kicks RIGHT NOW than take muay thai. The kicks are simple and effective and easier to master faster. But Muay thais kicks are limitted and only offer a few angles of attack. A true kicking expert will come from the art that devotes all its training time to kicking.

                          I've fought muay thai in the ring in Thailand, and I fought my opponent using muay thai but I dropped him using a TKD spinning kick. Does that mean Muay Thai sucks and cant beat TKD? No it means I was better than my opponent.

                          Damian Mavis
                          Honour TKD

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                          • #43
                            [QUOTE=Name another art that focuses virtually 100% of it's training time and resources to kicks.[/QUOTE]

                            Capoeria is another art that focuses virtually 100% of training time and resources to kicks. To me I think capoeria has the advantage, because it has more ground work in their kicks.

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                            • #44
                              Yaw-Yan

                              Hi

                              Yaw-Yan is a philippino kicking art, which has alot of unique kicks.Yaw-Yan is said to have the power of thaiboxers and speed of taekwondo practitioners.They also use shins for kicking and the fighters are heavily conditioned.They have 40 basic kicks and advanced kicks which is derived from basic kicks and combinations.They use special kind of punches called bolo punches and elbows and knees as well.

                              And it's said that , they execute powerful kicks from from various and difficult angles.They have been dominating Philippino Kickboxing scene sine it came to existence.

                              You can get more information about this style from

                              www.yaw-yan.com
                              www.yawyan.com
                              www.yawyanpasay.blogspot.com

                              thanks

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                              • #45
                                That was pretty good I guess, but it didnt seem to impress me. Maybe cause I'm not that easy to impress. The only two that impress me is Jet Corpuz n Eric Kelly.

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