Comparing kicks

[B.Y.O.B.]

Maybe the basic of kicks are similar to other styles, but when you farther study the art the kicks become pretty much different. Like capoeria's kicks becomes way different from other kicks, because it kind of gets UNORTHODOX to other arts.

[Piston]

Thats half way true, but different arts have different advantages. Like boxing with its punching power and its dodging skills. Muay thai for its kicking power and its elbows.

What I love about Muay Thai is the very particular clinch, really good for disorientating ones opponent and setting them up. I think its kicking power is limited in that each kick is powerful and effective but to a decent kicker like a TKD stylist, they are gonna see that kick last year and the follow through style can make it really bloody powerful, but it can leave the kicker a little open.

[kuk sool won]

When you talk about extremely different arts then yes its true but not when it comes to things that contain kicks, there are VERY little if any difference between them, if one kick from an art was 'the best' then wouldn't all the other arts (subject to heritage and tradition) contain that kick also? Even in Traditional arts techniques are always been added and detracted, borrowed from other martial arts.

[B.Y.O.B.]

Thats half way true, but different arts have different advantages. Like boxing with its punching power and its dodging skills. Muay thai for its kicking power and its elbows.

[Piston]

The most effective KICKING(Punching,Elbowing,Clinching and kneeing too) martial art is unarguably MUAY THAI. Taekwondo uses your FOOT to kick all areas of the body, especially high points which is completely ineffective against an opponent trained to fight in Muay Thai boxing, Kickboxing(Same Thing!), and even Boxing. TKD, kung fu, karate, etc., do not teach one how to properly kick in a fight or even in gentle sparring. I have taken TKD and when I sparred with the dojo's "Master"(a 6th degree i think), I litteraly kicked his ass until he couldnt stand just with basic Muay Thai kicks(No Punches because I would have broke his face). Two TKD blackbelts or any Kung fu, TMartists fighting full contact looks like a joke. Put them up against any one trained in Muay Thai for a few weeks and the MT guy's opponent, no matter what rank, will get smoked!

You clearly haven't seen the video thats been posted on these forums somewhere of a MT fighter getting the snot kicked out of him by a TKD practitioner.

I think a large difference in the styles is the rigouresness of the training. MT is big business in place like Thailand due to its place as fights being able to be betted on, TV broadcasts etc. very much like the similar sport of boxing. This means that any dojang (dont know the Thai term) is pretty secure financially if they can make some good fighters, same for boxing. This means in order to be the best an MT or boxer will have to be very athletic to be good on a money making competition circuit. TKD, Kung Fu etc simply don't have that commercial aspect and thus must fund themselves through a different way: being open to all ages, meaning that the art and the way it is taught is still the same but that toughness brought through conditioning isnt there.

MT is a great art and so is boxing, however put any kung fu, TKD, karate practitioner through that same, harsh physical training and they are on an equal footing.

[Tant01]

Get it on....

The most effective KICKING martial art is unarguably MUAY THAI. Taekwondo uses your FOOT to kick all areas of the body, especially high points which is completely ineffective against an opponent trained to fight in Muay Thai boxing, Kickboxing(Same Thing!), and even Boxing. TKD, kung fu, karate, etc., do not teach one how to properly kick in a fight or even in gentle sparring. I have taken TKD and when I sparred with the dojo's "Master"(a 6th degree i think), I litteraly kicked his ass until he couldnt stand just with basic Muay Thai kicks(No Punches because I would have broke his face). Two TKD blackbelts or any Kung fu, TMartists fighting full contact looks like a joke. Put them up against any one trained in Muay Thai for a few weeks and the MT guy's opponent, no matter what rank, will get smoked!

It's arguable...

So B.Y.O.B. I may have been a bit curt with you... I'm old and grumpy! Get over it. I will continue to ignore you because frankly, you bug me.

Having said that I'd like to offer a token of hospitality. I thought you might like to READ THIS interesting article about a "secret" kicking technique, it's history and just general interest for anyone interested in kicking.


The Old Okinawan Karate Toe Kick:
Part 2- Historical Introduction
By Christopher Caile

(Excerpt)
...Even at the young age of 17 or 18, Nakamura (Kaicho Tadashi Nakamura ) was an exceptionally strong fighter. A few years later he represented Kyokushin as part of a three man team that traveled to Thailand to face the best of their Muay Thai fighters and Nakamura beat Thailand’s Light Heavyweight Champion.

http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=419

Thought you might like it too MMA Fighter152....

Has anyone said there is no best art yet? Only better fighters?

[B.Y.O.B.]

And I am very passionate about my latin heritage so dont ever say I'm not a hispanic, cause I refer to myself as spanish teen ok.

[B.Y.O.B.]

I didnt say best damn I just put it in poll, just for it to be there! I thought you were saying it as it was a known fact not opinion, plus I did accept your answer, but gave my opinion on what you said.

Well Tom Yum yes some latins do refer to themselves has a spanish as I did.

[Tom Yum]

I'm not saying what is the best.Like I said before just wrote best just to be there.

I'm asking who has the advantage when it comes to kicking in the lower, body n head section. But just sum it up in a few words.

And I'm a Spanish teen from the bronx and TKDperson89 is a Korean teen from Jersey.

Uh huh, that's why you refer to yourself as a spanish teen......

yeah, people from the spanish speaking world refer to themselves as spanish.

TKD_guy89 oh yeah, high Van Damme style kicking is where its at.....

[kuk sool won]

Not only that but you wouldn't accept my answer, you are trying to FORCE your opinions on to other people, I don't think there is a best kicking art but you do, you then lead on to telling my im wrong, sounds like a certain TKDperson to me.

[B.Y.O.B.]

All man I'm crush even though I never sent you any messages before, but still I'm crush (in case you were wondering I'm joking). Plus I ask the same question when it fits in more than one thread n your the one who brings up the arguemennt so what else I'm suppose to do? Just stand there and let you say things about me or say my questions are stupid when you dont understand it or dont agree with it? I dont think so.

[Tant01]

Last words for U...Enjoy

If my question are so stupid? Why you bother posting in them? Plus no one else in the other threads cared when I wrote best in the polls. They just voted and put their opinions about it. And the only reason ppl thought I was tkdperson is, because you made everyone else think I'm him.

You are him. (And IF you're really NOT him, you might as well be) You ask the same redundant questions, you argue over the same stupid shit JUST LIKE HIM and now you'll be added to my ignore list (Just like HIM)


Bye Warrior (BYOB) and WHOEVER else you are...

[B.Y.O.B.]

If my question are so stupid? Why you bother posting in them? Plus no one else in the other threads cared when I wrote best in the polls. They just voted and put their opinions about it. And the only reason ppl thought I was tkdperson is, because you made everyone else think I'm him.

[Tant01]

Say it again.....

I didnt say whats best. I just wrote best in the polls for it to be there.

QUOTE=BYOB>>Thus brings my question. What martial artist have the most effective kicking style, not the best. I just wrote that on the poll just for it to be there ok.


Again and again and again....


Do you GET IT YET? REDUNDANT and


And you wonder why I (we) think you're someone else? Go kick something and quit with the stupid questions and polls...

[B.Y.O.B.]

I didnt say whats best. I just wrote best in the polls for it to be there.