Comparing kicks

[Warrior189]

Damian Mavis I don't know where you done capoeira, but the classes I have seen do spar against each other with a lot of forces to knock someone out. Hempy you make no sense and people who do capoeira maybe taught to dance, but won't do that in a real fight.

[Piston]

I feel the MT is very limited in its angle of attack kick wise. Granted the kicks are simple, powerful and easy to learn but most if not all kicks come from the back foot and are aimed at leg/lower abdomen area making it a little predictable.

Kuk I'm interested, what are KSW kicks like then?

[kuk sool won]

What i don't understand is why people think that if a kick has similarities of a muay thai kick then it has to be a muay thai kick. Styles have developed very similar kicks without having any exposure to Muay Thai. For instance a lot of people in my KSW class kick like a muay thai fighter but we have never been taught to kick from anyone with muay thai experience. there is 1 instructor in my class with a Muay Thai background and he has never once shown anyone to kick. No longer can you say 'Muay Thai and TKD are the best kicking arts' because its just not true anymore.

[tkd_wrestler]

i find it's most effective when blended with boxing. unfortunately, no one seems to acknowledge that the style included knees and elbows. i guess that they learn the forms for nothing.

[doJu]

Except for Kickboxing(Muay thai with no elbows or knees from clinch) and savate, no other art up there is even in the same ball park with MUAY THAI. TKD however, when blended with muay thai is effective. For anyone who does Muay Thai, it is a good idea to cross train in TKD if you have extra time.

[hEmPY]

What is the most effective kicking art? And why?

Well I say Capoeira, cause it has the advantage in the ground n can easily hit in the mid-section n the head.

P.S. Im not tkdperson89.

bob u stoopid ass

capoeiraz dance, when u fooz learn

LOL

[kalari]

That Yaw-Yan looked quite interesting, some of the kicking looked quite TKD like, the front kick chamber for instance. Those "bolo" punches look like they thow the puncher off balance quite badly though.

I am lucky to see some yaw-yan matches conducted on 2002, and found it very rough.It's like a muaythai match .The fighters can use knees and elbows on the ground and the fighters can even attack the fallen down opponent.the yaw-yans are taught to use their arms and legs as arnis sticks and they are heavily conditioned.Yaw-yan has been tested against other styles and had won majority of the matches.You can check this in their wesite.There is a street version of Yaw-Yan as well.

[Piston]

That Yaw-Yan looked quite interesting, some of the kicking looked quite TKD like, the front kick chamber for instance. Those "bolo" punches look like they thow the puncher off balance quite badly though.

[Damian Mavis]

Capoeria is another art that focuses virtually 100% of training time and resources to kicks. To me I think capoeria has the advantage, because it has more ground work in their kicks.

Eh, ya I forgot you started out with that silly statement. I dont mean you are silly, just comparing capoeira to arts that actually train by hitting pads and hitting eachother seems silly to me. I trained capoeira because they have awesome acrobatic moves that are good for my show business career. But uh, at no point did my instructor or any student believe they were learning a martial art suitable for actually fighting....

Capoeira does not devote 100% of its training time to kicking, it uses a vast majority of its time to footwork and moving to the dance rhythm and learning how to time your manouvers (kicks, flips, spins and jumps) to your partners manouvers. And a vast amount of time to learning the tricky flips and acrobatics. At no point does anyone ever actually hit a pad, heavy bag or person with a kick although we did occasionally touch eachother with a front push kick, soft enough to tickle. At least not at the 3 Capoeira classes I've visited and trained at around the world.

If you want to go against the theory that TKD is the best kicking art you would be better off saying muay thai is better, capoeira should be last on your list.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[B.Y.O.B.]

That was pretty good I guess, but it didnt seem to impress me. Maybe cause I'm not that easy to impress. The only two that impress me is Jet Corpuz n Eric Kelly.

[kalari]

Yaw-Yan

Hi

Yaw-Yan is a philippino kicking art, which has alot of unique kicks.Yaw-Yan is said to have the power of thaiboxers and speed of taekwondo practitioners.They also use shins for kicking and the fighters are heavily conditioned.They have 40 basic kicks and advanced kicks which is derived from basic kicks and combinations.They use special kind of punches called bolo punches and elbows and knees as well.

And it's said that , they execute powerful kicks from from various and difficult angles.They have been dominating Philippino Kickboxing scene sine it came to existence.

You can get more information about this style from

https://www.yaw-yan.com

https://www.yawyan.com

https://www.yawyanpasay.blogspot.com

thanks

[B.Y.O.B.]

[QUOTE=Name another art that focuses virtually 100% of it's training time and resources to kicks.[/QUOTE]

Capoeria is another art that focuses virtually 100% of training time and resources to kicks. To me I think capoeria has the advantage, because it has more ground work in their kicks.

[Damian Mavis]

The most effective KICKING(Punching,Elbowing,Clinching and kneeing too) martial art is unarguably MUAY THAI. Taekwondo uses your FOOT to kick all areas of the body, especially high points which is completely ineffective against an opponent trained to fight in Muay Thai boxing, Kickboxing(Same Thing!), and even Boxing. TKD, kung fu, karate, etc., do not teach one how to properly kick in a fight or even in gentle sparring. I have taken TKD and when I sparred with the dojo's "Master"(a 6th degree i think), I litteraly kicked his ass until he couldnt stand just with basic Muay Thai kicks(No Punches because I would have broke his face). Two TKD blackbelts or any Kung fu, TMartists fighting full contact looks like a joke. Put them up against any one trained in Muay Thai for a few weeks and the MT guy's opponent, no matter what rank, will get smoked!

Most TKD dojangs are family dojangs, good for you beating up what was most likely a fat middle aged to old man. Heh.

Alot of successful full contact fighters have a base in TKD, meaning they were black belts that learned to fight in the rule set of whatever competitve ring they got into (K1, Muay thai etc..) If you throw a TKD guy in a muay thai rule set without preparing him for the change in rules then he will most surely lose. But you cant judge an art based on changing the rules on him and seeing how well he copes, a muay thai pro would lose in a TKD format. The TKD guy would score his points and dance away, does that mean muay thai sucks? Of course not. Its like putting a judo expert in the ring with a boxer and making them fight boxing rules and judging judo as lame because he gets his ass beat. Or vice versa. By the way muay thai pros have gone in the ring in TKD in Thailand and they lost horribly, however when they convert, they are extremely good. The big champion here last year was a muay thai pro that trained up in TKD to black belt and then won all the tournaments. But he had to learn the TKD game in order to do that.

The best kicking art is TKD. Name another art that focuses virtually 100% of it's training time and resources to kicks. I train in several arts, Shaolin Kenpo, Muay thai, TKD, boxing and submission grappling. I love muay thai and TKD but TKD over specialises in kicks, nothing else will give you the same level of kicking expertise after 10 years of training. But if you want basic solid self defence kicks RIGHT NOW than take muay thai. The kicks are simple and effective and easier to master faster. But Muay thais kicks are limitted and only offer a few angles of attack. A true kicking expert will come from the art that devotes all its training time to kicking.

I've fought muay thai in the ring in Thailand, and I fought my opponent using muay thai but I dropped him using a TKD spinning kick. Does that mean Muay Thai sucks and cant beat TKD? No it means I was better than my opponent.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[kuk sool won]

You want leg speed then look at Buakaw Por Pramuk, the X K-1 MAX champion, they are amazingly fast and accurate.

[bigred389]

What I love about Muay Thai is the very particular clinch, really good for disorientating ones opponent and setting them up. I think its kicking power is limited in that each kick is powerful and effective but to a decent kicker like a TKD stylist, they are gonna see that kick last year and the follow through style can make it really bloody powerful, but it can leave the kicker a little open.

Agreed, but that's why you see them use hands/arms to set up their leg shots. Disorient with punches/elbows, then swing in a roundhouse which if it connects will take the other guy OUT.

And I don't know if you've ever seen Ramon Dekkers back hook/swing kick, but it was as fast as any I've ever seen from TKD.