The Tae Kwon Do Thread... Your thoughts.

[mr. bond]

a lot of that's true.

but, i still think that TKD can give you some good combat instincts. i use em all the time when free sparring, and they help me out a ton. if it doesn't help you in a fight, then you weren't using your training time wisely.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by mr. bond
a lot of that's true.

but, i still think that TKD can give you some good combat instincts. i use em all the time when free sparring, and they help me out a ton. if it doesn't help you in a fight, then you weren't using your training time wisely.

how can it teach you good combat instincts when it does not teach you the most important thing........how to take a hit. The TKD guys always wear all that damn padding (I don't see how they get injuries). Everytime I see a TKD guy get in a fight it is a one hit knock out 95% of the time cuz most of them have never had to take a real hit........

TKD sucks!!!!!!!!

[mr. bond]

heh...you've obviously never been hit while in one before. a lot of brands for chest protection do **** all for you, and the ones that are harder still mean absolutely nothing if you get hit by a big guy. you get winded just the same.

and i've almost been knocked out by a blow to the head even through those helmets. they're not that great of protection, you still learn that taking a hit hurts, and besides, any slightly decent school will have you grapple and have medium contact without anything but a gi.

i've found that taking a direct hit in the gut is almost exactly the same with or without chest gear.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by mr. bond
heh...you've obviously never been hit while in one before.

i've almost been knocked out by a blow to the head even through those helmets. they're not that great of protection, you still learn that taking a hit hurts, and besides, any slightly decent school will have you grapple and have medium contact without anything but a gi.

That's right I have never been hit with head and chest protection on before.......reason being that if I walked in a dojo and they told me I had to put that crap on to fight I would walk out and go somewhere else. I'm sorry man but if you almost got knocked out with head gear on you would never survive in MT. I take hard hits all the time with no chest and head protection and I have never felt like I was about to be knocked out. Hell, the just other night I got caught with a hard kick right to the chin.......just shrug that off and keep going.

Don't , just get and kick some ass. If you get almost knocked out by hits taken in TKD with gear on then you would definately be knocked out in MT without the head gear.

<~~~~~~~~hey, it's you after taking your first MT kick

LOL......sucka

[ewod]

Originally posted by falcon3624


That's right I have never been hit with head and chest protection on before.......reason being that if I walked in a dojo and they told me I had to put that crap on to fight I would walk out and go somewhere else. I'm sorry man but if you almost got knocked out with head gear on you would never survive in MT. I take hard hits all the time with no chest and head protection and I have never felt like I was about to be knocked out. Hell, the just other night I got caught with a hard kick right to the chin.......just shrug that off and keep going.

Don't , just get and kick some ass. If you get almost knocked out by hits taken in TKD with gear on then you would definately be knocked out in MT without the head gear.

<~~~~~~~~hey, it's you after taking your first MT kick

LOL......sucka

me and falcon will whip any tkd experts ass...falcon will do the ass kicking and ill watch and cheer him on...

[mr. bond]

Originally posted by falcon3624


That's right I have never been hit with head and chest protection on before.......reason being that if I walked in a dojo and they told me I had to put that crap on to fight I would walk out and go somewhere else. I'm sorry man but if you almost got knocked out with head gear on you would never survive in MT. I take hard hits all the time with no chest and head protection and I have never felt like I was about to be knocked out. Hell, the just other night I got caught with a hard kick right to the chin.......just shrug that off and keep going.

Don't , just get and kick some ass. If you get almost knocked out by hits taken in TKD with gear on then you would definately be knocked out in MT without the head gear.

<~~~~~~~~hey, it's you after taking your first MT kick

LOL......sucka

ah, screw off mate. i didn't give up in the least after taking the hit. i finished the match, pretty decently for a guy still seeing stars. and the hard hits to the chin? big deal, i've taken some hits to the chin before. they're not that harsh.

i ain't sayin that i could walk into a MT gym and take out the first guy i fight. i'd get schooled quite a few times, but i'd catch on quicker because i have taken MA including TKD before. that's the whole point i'm tryin to make here. it helps you out.

and btw, the gear irritated me. it didn't protect you from harm, and it impedes movement. another reason i didn't particularly care for TKD style sparring.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by mr. bond


ah, screw off mate. i didn't give up in the least after taking the hit. i finished the match, pretty decently for a guy still seeing stars. and the hard hits to the chin? big deal, i've taken some hits to the chin before. they're not that harsh.

i ain't sayin that i could walk into a MT gym and take out the first guy i fight. i'd get schooled quite a few times, but i'd catch on quicker because i have taken MA including TKD before. that's the whole point i'm tryin to make here. it helps you out.

and btw, the gear irritated me. it didn't protect you from harm, and it impedes movement. another reason i didn't particularly care for TKD style sparring.

Man, I went in an open tournament one time where we had to wear head gear and I took some hits in the head with it on and that's nothing like getting hit without it. Another big thing is if you are the one that is hitting cuz it sure as hell hurts alot less hitting a soft head than it does to hit a hard one.

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by mr. bond


i ain't sayin that i could walk into a MT gym and take out the first guy i fight. i'd get schooled quite a few times, but i'd catch on quicker because i have taken MA including TKD before. that's the whole point i'm tryin to make here. it helps you out.

You will learn alot faster than the others who start out without any MA experience!! I started sparring just one month short of my starting date and did really well. I hobbled from getting leg kicked (just takes time to condition), but I was scoring on guys who trained in muay thai for several years. Did I dominate all the time - heck no, but I was able to assimilate MT fast and start sparring with the intermediate level fighters in my 4th week.

If you do switch over to MT, find a really good coach. A good fighter doesn't allways transfer into a good coach, but most good coaches have some amateur if not pro fighting experience.

Once you get more involved, then you learn who everybody is in boxing and muay thai. You learn their stories and it just builds from there. Some day they're gonna make a film about MMA and you're gonna sit back in your theatre chair as an old man and remember what it was like stepping into the ring for the first time.

[Ghost]

Yes its shows why the TKD guys dont block properly, its because they arent scared of getting kicked.
If the saftey gear is there to protect them you get comforatble and then there is no point inn blocking.
Its a total waste of time, this is why i started the thread what does your styla say about you.
People are so different when they practice different systems and the way i see it is they are at different levels of reality.

TKD being airy fairy land.

[Lizard]

Originally posted by Ghost
Yes its shows why the TKD guys dont block properly, its because they arent scared of getting kicked.
If the saftey gear is there to protect them you get comforatble and then there is no point inn blocking.
Its a total waste of time, this is why i started the thread what does your styla say about you.
People are so different when they practice different systems and the way i see it is they are at different levels of reality.

TKD being airy fairy land.

But the guy who wants to send his children somewhere where they will have fun, get some mild excersise, learn some fancy kicks to impress their friends with and have a low risk of getting injured. Where will he send his children? A harsh MT gym with full contact sparring or a TKD dojang with light contact, padded sparing?

Most people do not have very many fights, many people who start martial arts want to learn to do fancy kicks and have fun. Padding has it's place.

[Tom Yum]

It boils down to why you choose to do any MA.

Some people do it for conditioning, a little self-defense and mental discipline so anything from TKD to Shotokan Karate addresses these areas without too much chances of injury.

If it keeps you or your kids focused and helps them learn to set and follow through goals, then its definitely a good thing. We laugh at Mc Dojo schools in the area of combat, but they too have their positive benefits.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Lizard


But the guy who wants to send his children somewhere where they will have fun, get some mild excersise, learn some fancy kicks to impress their friends with and have a low risk of getting injured. Where will he send his children? A harsh MT gym with full contact sparring or a TKD dojang with light contact, padded sparing?

Most people do not have very many fights, many people who start martial arts want to learn to do fancy kicks and have fun. Padding has it's place.

I agree with Lizard on this. I have had many people that come to me about there kids because they know I have done martial arts all my life. Most of the time their kids are the ones that bring it up and say that want to be a ninja or a power ranger or something like that.......lol.......kids. They ask me what kind of art I would suggest for a kid. I have always highly suggest to everyone who has asked me about a kid starting out to go into TKD or TSD. Being that the system is a little easier to understand it is easier for them to catch onto. Besides we all know what the kids want to know.........they want to know how to do high kicks like the power rangers and so forth........I think the biggest thing though is the fact that TKD and TSD use full body protection and that is something I feel is very important for a child to do when they get out there and spar with each other.

Something like MT is just too rough for kids and something like BJJ is just too technical for them. I think that a big problem with putting a kid in something like BJJ and leaving them in there is that they might develop bad habits and techniques as a child and let that carry on into there later years whereas an older kid would be more open to learning the proper way to do things.

[Ghost]

Sorry why have we side tracked onto Martial Arts for kids?

We are asaying TKD is for kids.

So what?

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by falcon3624


Man, I went in an open tournament one time where we had to wear head gear and I took some hits in the head with it on and that's nothing like getting hit without it. Another big thing is if you are the one that is hitting cuz it sure as hell hurts alot less hitting a soft head than it does to hit a hard one.

So what you are saying is that training with protective gear makes you kick harder
So THAT's why TKD are harder

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]


So what you are saying is that training with protective gear makes you kick harder
So THAT's why TKD are harder

No, not at all.......what I am saying is that TKD protective gear let's you get used to taking hits with padding on and that is not a good thing if you ever have to use what you know on the street. It's kinda like ghost said that people in TKD usually have sloppy blocking techniques........one of the big reasons for this is probably the fact that most guys in TKD figure they are not going to be knocked out because taking the hit with the pads might jar you a little but it is nothing like taking a hit without the pads. If you go to a MT gym they are gonna block the hell out of you because they know what it feels like to take some hard hits. I have sparred with a whole lot of people that take TKD and alot of people that take it and are suppose to be very good at it and it holds true that most of them block very sloppy and leave them selves wide open when they strike. When I ask them why some say that is the way they learned and alot say "why should I block I win all the time and I have never been hurt before."

So basically fighting with full protective gear makes you a wuss.