The Tae Kwon Do Thread... Your thoughts.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by SilverWolf33
lol, too true, but being the MA expert, do you have any advice on how to avoid this?

I got 3 words for ya: "don't get hit"

[SilverWolf33]

Genius! I never thought of it, but could you please add more specific instructions on how to avoid a guy attacking you and not letting up

[Tom Yum]

Find a good boxing coach. The mobility, defense and hand speed will pay off regardless of what style you practice.

He'll work your proper stance, balance, shufling forward, backward, side to side, pivoting and angling. Your arms alone don't make you a good fighter - alot of it comes from your legs and your position, not to mention reflexes and ability to take a hit.

If you're in the Houston area, stop by Savannah Gym or if you've got cajones stop by Main Street Gym. If you're a well to do white guy, I'd go with Savannah

[falcon3624]

If you want to learn how to avoid a punch come on down to cajun land and we'll teach you all about it. I have worked with some pretty good boxers and alot of my buddies are boxers in the NHB. If you are not much of a striker (sounds like you are not) you would probably want to take the guy to the ground to slow down his onslaught, but then again he may be better than you on the ground too (then you are skrewed). LOL. I know how to fight standing and grapple although I much prefer to be on my feet fighting than on the ground (because of my size and power I feel more comfortable striking). If a fight goes to the ground I will go there but until the other guy forces it to the ground I am gonna keep it standing. You might want to give up on all the Kung Fu junk and go join a MT gym or a boxing gym and learn some technique that can help you with the onslaught of punches.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Trick is to mount him, tickle him wiht your left hand and throw elbows or whatever stirkes with your other lol.

[Tom Yum]

Boxing gyms are not your glamorous 24 Hour Fitness Centers. Because of that you can expect the smell of sweat and electric fans in place of AC. It will be about 95-99% male populated and most of the basics are provided to you except a mouth guard and hand wraps.

The tuition is lower, but you don't work to build your pecs; you work on whatever the coach has in mind and its designed to make you into a better fighter - usually it has to do with getting your wind (cardio), working on technique, stance, defense, shuffling, developing combinations, slipping, pivoting and building power in your punches.

He might have you stretch first, jump rope, shadow box, shadow box with weights, work with the focus mitts for 3-5 rounds, hit the heavy bag for 2 rounds and finish with light sparring to apply everything you've learned.

Again its not glamorous and the Suburban Jones's will mock you, but then again talk is cheap and Mr. Jones will stay at a comfortable distance while mocking you and make gay excuses for not coming with you.

[falcon3624]

Man, you started talking Tom and I am feeling like I should be in class. Our BJJ/MT class is for sure no glamour. We have no A/C and we have on small shop fan to take care of the entire building. If anyone has ever been to south Louisiana they will tell you the humidity is a killer and imagine that with it being 90 outside and working out 2hrs. a night and from 1pm to 5pm on Saturday.

I will tell you one thing about our team though, we produce alot of good NHB fighters and some extremely tough grapplers. It might hurt everyday going out there in the heat and the humidity training like a madman but it does pay off in the end when you have to use it. We face off with guys that that train in these nice a/c gyms with all the best equipment and they just can't hang with us.

[Tom Yum]

Condition wise I don't suppose training in south LA's climate can be different than Thailand's. From the pics that Ocatvious and Damian have shown me, most gyms are outdoors too.

[falcon3624]

Well, we have a roof over our head at least although it does leak alot. Somtimes I wish we were outside instead of the sauna.....

[Manufest]

Tkd depends alot on the dojang u go to , some teach the sport, and some teach the art (i take the art, used to take teh sport, BIG difference)

Sport - mostly speed, very little power, moves aren't effective at all, barely any hand movements, bad technique - no good for self defence (like on the street)

The Art - A balance between power and speed, moves are very effective at disabling actual people, there alot of (like 1/3 of the class) hand movements (blocks, punches, knife hand (blocks and strikes) elbows and nees)

At my dojang they teach Korean Martial arts, not just TKD, (although the above is just tkd) but i also learn hapkido and kum sool (sword..) Hapkido is just effective moves, locks, grappling, rolls, break falls, and therefore a more street fighting MA, i find that its very effective (the kicks are a bit dif from tkd, more power in them i find, )

Tkd is a great MA, if u take the art, the sport sucks , i have a feeling that most of you who are agains or have negative opinions on tkd have only taken or seen the sport tkd, which is pretty ineffective when it comes down to real fighting.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Manufest
Hapkido is just effective moves, locks, grappling, rolls, break falls, and therefore a more street fighting MA, i find that its very effective (the kicks are a bit dif from tkd, more power in them i find, )

Yea but how well do those locks work on the street? I imagine that less that 10% would actually work in a real street fight just as in aikido. I am sure the fall breaking is pretty good considering that most of that came from Daito Ryu Aiki Jiu-Jitsu. How do you think the grappling of Hapkido would stack up against the grappling of BJJ?

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Manufest
Hapkido is just effective moves, locks, grappling, rolls, break falls, and therefore a more street fighting MA, i find that its very effective (the kicks are a bit dif from tkd, more power in them i find, )

How do you think the kicks would stack up to Muay-Thai kicks?

[Manufest]

I've never actually been up to or seen how powerfull MT kicks can be, but i've seen ppl in my dojang do a couple low easy kicks to get them blockin low, then one hit with a reverse roundhouse knocks them right out. And our walk behind side kicks are pretty deadly, i mean easily take out a couple ribs, same with turn side kick (back kick) - although not as many people get as much power from it (er, i get more though, i have extremily good balance due to 10 years of ballet tap and jazz dancing).

Oh, btw we do alot of power moves with our hands, like knife hand and punches, (er, most of our BB 's can break through those big concrete things that they build schools out of easily)

In tkd if u got balance and flexiblity its really easy to get fast and alot of power,

[Manufest]

Oh i forgot, In hapkido, its not so much the power from the kicks and punches we do, its we know where and how to hit, the weak parts of the body (er, solarplexes [dunno how to spell it] ) and what kind of kicks are more effective for each part of the body, like snap to the head and push to the body is usually the most effective

[Manufest]

The locks in hapkido are very effective, i've used them on the streets before, most involve breaking a bone, dislocating a shoulder,throwing them head first to the ground or knocking them out . We also learn to use our suroundings, like a belt or even a groceries bag can be a deadly weapon.

And i've seen BJJ live before, and i wasn't impressed at all compared to hapkido , although it may have been a sh!ty school