Strikers VS Grapplers

[Jazzshredder86]

Grappling does not beat a good striker. I was sparring with a friend that does Tai chi at one of the best schools in the country, and we were going almost full out, bare knuckle (we're 18 and dumb, what do you expect?). I shot in for a takedown at the wrong time and caught so many strikes that it looked like the manson family went at my face with a spiked club. And this is a kid my age who studies a so called "wimpy art" (dont get me started) like Tai chi.

Noone should be a grappler, a striker, etc. They should be a fighter. You've gotta practice hard at everything. You may have a natural skill at grappling more than striking and you should hone that, but if you can't strike, you're dead meat in a real fight. I have a great respect for traditional MA (actual traditionalists, people who want to learn to fight, not stagnant Mcdojo rip off schools), and yes many ignore grappling of any kind, but that doesnt mean you might f*** up fighting and catch a strike at the right moment/angle and go down for the count. Any number of MMA fights can show this.

[Tap4Me]

Grappling and striking, the difference of night and day.

[sherwinc]

Grappling does not beat a good striker. I was sparring with a friend that does Tai chi at one of the best schools in the country, and we were going almost full out, bare knuckle (we're 18 and dumb, what do you expect?). I shot in for a takedown at the wrong time and caught so many strikes that it looked like the manson family went at my face with a spiked club. And this is a kid my age who studies a so called "wimpy art" (dont get me started) like Tai chi.

Noone should be a grappler, a striker, etc. They should be a fighter. You've gotta practice hard at everything. You may have a natural skill at grappling more than striking and you should hone that, but if you can't strike, you're dead meat in a real fight. I have a great respect for traditional MA (actual traditionalists, people who want to learn to fight, not stagnant Mcdojo rip off schools), and yes many ignore grappling of any kind, but that doesnt mean you might f*** up fighting and catch a strike at the right moment/angle and go down for the count. Any number of MMA fights can show this.

a good kungfu striker can permanently paralize you in a single strike only....

for example:

i can strike you just once on your two eyes, if you get hit, blind with blood, then how can you apply your grappling??????

why? another form of referree disqualification???????

a brutal hand attacks of kungfu and it is not allowed to join the tournament like UFC

Note:
Tai Chi Chuan has the best moves when it comes to grappling as well as striking..... the main problem is - you all non-kungfu martial artists doesnt know how to do it........

i give you a clue..... Tai Chi is good and awesome in its grappling moves and its grappling moves usually it involves in the use of obstacles found around his opponent as well as using obstacles found around Tai Chi fighter....

another clue..... do you ever notice that when the Tai Chi moves, example from Kia Be Se Stance shift to Bow and Arrow Stance - ITS LEFT TOE ARE POINTING UPWARD BEFORE SHIFTING TO ANOTHER STANCE?????...... its an another form of body obstacles "that if your good enough you can hit your opponent's adams apple unto your toes that pointed upward when you grappling your opponent"

there are so very many many grappling techniques of Tai Chi Chuan.

[gregimotis]

I locked his body to my body using the leg lock when we were on the ground. We grappled for a while and I almost got him into an armbar.

I eventually got him into a reverse choke.

Okay, so... In a ten minute instructional video you learned; leg lock, armbar, and 'reverse choke'. Additionally, in your first post you mentioned almost getting an armbar, but forgot all about the finish you actually did get. I think I'm gonna have to go with T.B. as well - the post is fake. Probably a well meaning, but mis-directed attempt to convert people to BJJ, the 'real deal' in martial arts.

[ryanhall]

. I weep for the future. Seriously. Watch out for the brutal hand techniques...got it. I should be ok now. Unless I am suddenly stricken with paralysis after a single strike to one of the fourteen chi meridians on my inner forearm. Would your strike make me a paraplegic or a quadraplegic? I'm just curious to know if I'll be able to chi punch you in retaliation.

[gregimotis]

I take it back - the length of the video isn't specified - only that you studied the video for ten minutes. Heck, I've trained BJJ for four years and I couldn't learn ONE new technique with a video and ten minutes.

Sorry, no.

[gregimotis]

SherwinC, who are you... reeaally?

[Jazzshredder86]

HAHA yea. deadly strikes. right.

This post is obviously a fake. And I will note my friend didnt beat me using "chi," he just repeatedly struckwith palms to the head. It doesn't sound like much, but his stance and form work has given him awesome body mechanics and that "steel wrapped in cotton" strength to his striking....

[gracilva]

Any of it you pathetic little arse wipe.

LOL.....stop pampering him you big softy.

[cross]

I have an idea....

oriental_kid, go to your local boxing gym, find a guy about the same size as you and ask him to spar. Once your finished, come back here and tell us if you still feel the same.

[blade_cs]

Me and my friend decided we were gonna do some sparring. Me and him are about the same build. He's studies Wing Chun and has been for two years. I myself have been studying JKD for 6 weeks and did kickboxing for 2 years 5 years ago.
He would smack the hell out of me using his wing chun if I was to punch him etc. Too the main point, at the end of work me and him sparred. We were moving about waiting for an opening etc.......no contact had been made. At that point I decided to to just lunge in covering my head and hugged his waist and took him to the ground. He got me in a head lock as I lunged in but I locked his body to my body using the leg lock when we were on the ground. We grappled for a while and I almost got him into an armbar.
I learnt to take him down from an instructional video (Gracie Jui Jitsu) within 5 mins practicing on my brother. I also was practicing the armbar.

If he's been studying WC for two year and I've been studying the video for like 10mins, for me to take him down to the ground and grapple him kinda says something about grapplers. This may be a bold statement but I think I can truely say that a grappler will always win against a striker of the same skill. In a fight your aim is to beat the opponent whether on the ground or standing. In many threads on this forum there are post saying that BJJ has a disadvantage in stand up fighting, maybe so to you guys, it sounds like you guys dont like getting your clothes dirty because of the fact your grabbing your opponents body and taking him to the ground. I dont think that its even an issue saying that BJJ has a disadvantage in stand up fighting.

IMO study BJJ and WC.
If you dont like getting dirty on the ground use WC to trap the opponent but if you go to the ground you then apply BJJ. Simple as that.

Any ideas ?

Hey Oriental_Kid,

There's no superior Martial Art, just superior Martial Artist (or fighter).


blade_cs

[Tommy DeVito]

a good kungfu striker doesnt need to strike or touch his enemy to paralize him anyway

a good kungfu striker can permanently paralize you in a single strike only....

for example:

i can strike you just once on your two eyes, if you get hit, blind with blood, then how can you apply your grappling??????

why? another form of referree disqualification???????

a brutal hand attacks of kungfu and it is not allowed to join the tournament like UFC

Note:
Tai Chi Chuan has the best moves when it comes to grappling as well as striking..... the main problem is - you all non-kungfu martial artists doesnt know how to do it........

i give you a clue..... Tai Chi is good and awesome in its grappling moves and its grappling moves usually it involves in the use of obstacles found around his opponent as well as using obstacles found around Tai Chi fighter....

another clue..... do you ever notice that when the Tai Chi moves, example from Kia Be Se Stance shift to Bow and Arrow Stance - ITS LEFT TOE ARE POINTING UPWARD BEFORE SHIFTING TO ANOTHER STANCE?????...... its an another form of body obstacles "that if your good enough you can hit your opponent's adams apple unto your toes that pointed upward when you grappling your opponent"

there are so very many many grappling techniques of Tai Chi Chuan.

[Pornstar]

in oriental boy's defense, i can see where you can watch a tape of a take down and pull it off on an unskilled "sprawler". you probably just tackled him, and it worked, ok. you probably couldn't take down mirko crocop, who has a swift sprawl. mirko did have a bad night and got put on the ground and armbarred and had to tap, so there is no absolute answer and no single martial art will ever sweep the ufc 100%. as far as unskilled street fighting, no weapons, MOST, not all, of the time a grappler would dominate. if you want to test your video watching skills, try to take down a wrestler, you'll find that, set up, speed and timing were the three elements you were missing.

ps. unless you cross paths with a fighter who knows a "sound knock out".(different thread)

[darrianation]

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[oriental_kid]

I apologise if my post wasnt clear but I dont understand what you guys mean when you say the post is fake ? What I meant to say is in a controlled envoironment the grappler will win. Also in a uncontrolled envoironment the grappler will also win, whats stopping a grappler from striking/kicking/stabbing aswell.........nothing, what I'm saying is eg wing chun dont teach grappling...rarely. The video I was on about is Gracie Jiu Jitsu basics volume 1. Some of you say that you cant learn from a video in ten minutes but the things you can. I'm a fast learner in martial arts and thats why I could apply the technique. Maybe some people are slow learners. gregimotis the video was a full 50 mins but I studied that particular technique for 10 mins. No i'm not attempting to convert people to BJJ, my statement is Strikers will lose to grapplers. Off course it wont be easy grappling a wrestler, their skilled in that art but when it comes to strikers the grappler will dominate and control......the striker is playing your game.