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You should do so verbaly too instead of seeking confrontation everytime by claiming your KF is superior to anything on this earthOriginally posted by sherwincComment
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i am just wondering why i am only the one here claiming that kungfu is superior????Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
how about bladed weapons??????
tell me honestly, what are your comments about kungfu broadswords????? twin broadswords, flexible staffs and spears, tri-sectional staff????
i am glad to listen to your comment, this is a weapons category, answer me with full of details......Comment
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Erm... what about weapons? People in most places don't walk around with broadswords or three-section-staffs... maybe in the Philipines it's common to have a machete handy, but it's very hard to defend against a knife. Chances are, you're going to get stabbed, whether you drill disarms or not.
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What about them, looks nice to do if you practice for fun but not very practical like kenjitsu isn't very practicalOriginally posted by sherwinc
Solo batton would be much more practical but seeing that even carrying a stick is prohibited in my country even that is rather useless
In other countries a single broadsword might be a handy weapon because one could use a machette instead
In my hands anything is a possible weapon, be it a stick, telephone or a CD disc
a belt could be used for instance to deflect, trap, trip or strangle even as a whip or the beltbuckle as brassknucks
But that's all beside the point, it being you deeming yourself fit to call other art useless even though you know very well you only have minimum knowledge of those arts
you call techniques telegraphic but what you mean is, that because the hands don't move all the time you think you know where the technique will come from
But you think a good MA cant adapt or something, come on man, it took me 2 seconds to copy the movements of a pentjak silat fighter that scored on all my student, and managed to hit him everytime I used my "Reverse punch" and he couldn't even come close
Oh and my hits weren't these fancy pancy strikes but driving punches, If I would have really driven them in him one would have knocked the air out of him ( don't like to hit the face in such cases during training)
The MA you diss will faint a fronthandpunch (jab) to force you react and show what you would do , time and time again, then when you think you know he is fainting he just opunches since there is only a 1 or 2 inch difference between a faint and a hit, if you keep reacting, eventually he will come up with a combo to hit you and seeing the power, that might just be the end of the fight
no 2:22 ratio will help you there ( try if you can reach that ratio in the same time as the last flurry of punches of Chuck "the Iceman' Liddel in UFC 47)
You call them Human Dummy because they take hits, yeah MT and boxing are but they are human dummies that hit back hart and you try knocking out a dummy, you won't be able to do thatComment
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weapons training is very useful, be it sword,sabre, double hook, chain, spear, etc. in the philippines 'bolo' or machete is a common weapon. me i arm my self & train with a real chinese broadsword. by training in weapons one can graps the proper technique of slashing, blocking, & striking. as well as disarming and apply it with any weapon on hand be it a stick or basebal bat.
here in canada people like to swing baseball bats. but a basebal bat against a machette or braodsword? its a good thing that there is strick gun law here.
i like to share a story about an incident happened when i was 8yrs. old. This is one incident that i`ll never forget that involves my father.
it happened in 1966, at that time fil-chinese were always teased mock at by locals. my father one day got so upset becuase inspite of my parents in trying to reach out to our "squater" neighborhood there were still some who harass us by throwing stones at our house at night breaking windows & stuff. usually they attack at night because they can easily hide & run with the cover of drakness.
so that morning, there was this basketball court set up by the "squatters" just a few feet away from our driveway. my father approached the people who were playing there to find out who & why we were being harassed the local started to teased & make fun of my father because my fathers` tagalog is "instcik tagalog" ( broken tagalog ). my father got so upset, he went to the house came out with a "bolo" ( machette ) and start hacking away at the basketball court. all the locals got intimidated that non of them dare lift a finger to stop him. but what amaze me was my fathers` courage & strength not only in confronting them (1 - 7+) he was able to chop the basketball down with just a few strike.
my father was no martial artist but he was a good handyman that knows how to use tools. And knows when to fight back & know what it is to live in fear because he grew up during the Japanese occupation of the philippines from 1941-1945.Comment
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As much as I like Chinese martial arts (I practice a.o. wing chun) I have to admit that most cma practitioners I met lack of proper sparing skills with weapons.....how about bladed weapons??????
tell me honestly, what are your comments about kungfu broadswords????? twin broadswords, flexible staffs and spears, tri-sectional staff????
i am glad to listen to your comment, this is a weapons category, answer me with full of details......
I think cmartists nowadays concentrate too much on empty hands and forget weapons, lot of important traditional knowledge is lost.....
Concerning weapons I train them in filipino silat and arnis (wasn't shown the dragon pole and butterfly knives of wc yet)..... in my opinion weapon training is more important than empty hands because risks of getting killed are greater in weapon confrontations than empty handed, besides training with weapons makes you sharper empty handed... anyway if I felt my oponent is superior empty handed and I felt I'd loose badly I'd quickly draw a weapon.... I already had to use blades on the streets and my arnis and silat training was of great use... If you live in the Philippines you need weapon knowledge.... too many pinoys carry balisongs, icepicks.... and bolos are never far away.... I don't even speak of guns....Comment
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Very true, ice pick is the deadliest of all small weapons. It leaves a terrible internal bleeding if not treated immidiatly could led to death. That is why it is very important in training martial art to concentrate for real fighting no room for mercy until you are sure your attacker is down.Originally posted by krys
In our ngo cho kun, when we train in hand set sparring we were supposed to execute every move like in real fighting. We are not allowed to anticipate a move but we are to wait for the attack to happened & execute techniques properly time.
Many times in knife or weapons training we get injured becuase the defender failed to properly execute a technique against the attacker.Comment
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Yes you are right....
Icepicks are very deadly, they can produce massive inner bleeding and the wounds are so smalls that they can be overlooked...
There was once a mugger in Manila who approached a man victim and stabed him.... he then hold him and ordered him to accompany him putting his arms around his neck like holding a friend... bypassers didn't see anything believing those two were good friends.... later on the mugger took the money in an isolated place...
anticipating a weapon attack is very dangerous... what if the agressor feints?
Many street thugs have their own tricks and this often involves feints....
Other problem is if he does not throw clean attacks.... your opponent may try to slash you first in the long range before closing, in order to give multiple stabs to kill you....
I found that calling names (some in filipino are very insulting
) , spitting can draw a clean attack ....
What also happens in the islands is that a fistfight will degenerate into a knive fight if one is loosing.... instead of a punch the next attack could be a disguised knive attack.... That is why one should never show mercy even empty handed when it comes to a fight you cannot avoid with peoples you are not sure of.... break something-knock down-disable, and then leave as fast as you can....Comment
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you can carry a broadsword in your country? now I undertsand why there are more robberies and related violence
We can't carry a weapon here at all, not even pepperspray is allowed
Chances that I will be attacked by broadsword or WC knifes is slim to say the least
A bikerchain of a knife will be much more likely so that;s what you learn to defend against
Using/carrying any of these weapons is out of the question so why should anyone here train them for anything else but fun?Comment
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Philippines is a third world country many people carry weapons usually concealled. Machettes, sword etc. are kept either in a vehicles trunck compartment or under the drivers` seat. But now it seem that guns are more widespread. Me, I never take chances espacially in the Philippines one must always be ready to defend oneself.Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
In fact one initiation that make Konghan Club unique is, Konghan fighters once they reach a certain level usually higher level maybe 5th lvl up. Part of our unsunction initiation or training is to go out the streets & seek out muggers or street bullies and fight them. That was during my time, now I don`t think they do that anymore.
In a 1st world country like Japan, Canada, Zwitzerland or places were people have good jobs, carrying weapons is not necessary. In fact training in MA is not neceassary too what is important is becoming a good academia. And in those places MA is widely train only for performance sports or for people to socialise or to perserve the tradition of MA.Comment
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For me, the most deadliest weapons that i even known here oftenly happened in the Philippines is what they called "Indian Target or Indian Pana" and "White Rabbit"Originally posted by konghan
those two classes of darts when you hit, you could not break or release it to pull out to your body since it has hooks that anchored deeply unto your inner organs or bones......
the worst is, how about if the users of that kinds of darts is also an experience martial artist - then it could be more fatal......Comment
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don't forget the tondo special! a three foot long screw driver with a sharpened tip!Comment
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most of those "pana shooters" are not martial artist but they are good at it. they can hit a tin can or a bird 30-50 feet away easily. it is almost identical to sling shot. it is rarely use as a mugging weapon it is use for confrontation in an open war or rumble against other gangs or the authoities.Originally posted by sherwincComment
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What are those indian panas? I have never heard of that.....Comment
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