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i dont know if there has been a thread like this but i was curious which art is more effective in a combat/defense situation..Judo focuses mainly on throwing and BJJ focuses on ground attacks, so im curious. I also overheard some kids in my school that takes martial arts talking about grappling arts and how BJJ will dominate all arts including Judo.
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Are you asking which is more effective at fighting the other art? Or which is most effective at fighting an unknown threat in the street (i.e. hard, possible armed, may have friends near etc. etc.).
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well both, cause everyone thinks BJJ is the dominate art of grappling.Comment
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Depends on the fighter. And that answers BOTH questions....
Mind you, in my opinion, BJJ has the advantage over Judo owing to its superior gorund game.
But Judo has the advantage in a street fight owing to its ability to throw people down, leaving the defender able to run off home to his family.Comment
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I dont believe either are enough just by themselves. I think BJJ is more complete but Judo has many effective throws which you can use. They compliment each other well but Id add kickboxing or Thai boxing.Comment
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Well Judo and BJJ matched up in Bushido #3 yesterday when I saw it. Did anyone else see it too?
Sincerly,
Andrew VelocciComment
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i missed it. BTW i already started taking BJJ and Muay Thai for my 3rd week...ok so what im basically asking is, if two different people were trained in BJJ and Judo for the same amount of time, lets say a year and got in a street fight. who would come out as the victor?Comment
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I'm a assuming your saying that both fighters would be abiding by "gentlmens rules" and neither fighter would have any outside help, with that in mind there's no way anyone could answer this question its completly abritrary. Not to flame you or anything but, there's to many unknowns to take into effect. which fighter trained harder, which was in the "zone", which fighter got the first attack, etc..Originally posted by MartialArtsJComment
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Let's say for a moment, all things being equal between the two fighters (which is never true). Then it really depends on the first ten seconds. It the BJJ player can get the Judo guy to the ground, withoug getting slammed in the process, he will most likely win. If the Judo guy can hit a throw first, then he will most likely win. So the answer is, either one can win.
If you are asking which to train, I prefer BJJ. I train both, but Judo is more dangerous to spar and is alot more punishment on the body. But, in a street fight a Judoka is hard to bet against. One well executed throw will end the confrontation in a hurry.Comment
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Ah yes... The ever important Judo/JJJ vs BJJ thread. I actually started in Judo before switching over to BJJ in the late 90's, now I wish I would have stayed with Judo as well.
I think to understand Judo and BJJ as martial arts, it's important to study both in context. In Japan, Judo is studied primarily as a sport. Most of it's martial applications are reserved for a few dojos that dwell in antiquity. It's understandable, Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and until recently, has been moving towards economic heights.
BJJ by all definitions is also a sport... It has some NHB applications, but it's still just sport. Although the Gracies have said that BJJ began from a testing ground of street fights, this can hardly be true. Having been to Brasil, I've been told that just about everyone has been mugged by a handful of thugs, or at least harrassed. Which leads me to believe that the Gracies were engaged in one-on-one fights in a controlled environment with limited rules. Therefore, BJJ is a sport...Albeit a combat sport.
Therefore, we can assume that altough both BJJ and Judo possess self-defense applications, neither encompass the true scope of self-defense. In that regard, Judo seems to fit the bill better since most attacks occur while standing and most SD specialist will agree that your initial response should be to flee the scene, not fight on your back.Comment
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Originally posted by pstevens
'Cause that's how you got the shit beat out of you, right?Comment
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No, that's how I did your mom... thanks a lot, really... Thank you.Originally posted by jubajiComment
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Are you denying that you got beat to hell, according to your own words? Which is the lie?Originally posted by pstevensComment
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Originally posted by pstevens
I am confused by your point. If everyone has been mugged at some time, could not BJJ be used for defense? The first fights that Carlos and Helio held from my understanding were closer to street fight than combat sport. They fought on the street not rings initially. Thye testing for BJJ came from Maeda who taught the Gracies his version of Judo and JJ. I guess that take home message is that even if combat sport both BJJ and Judo have very useable techniques which can easily be applied to the street or SD.
just my $.02Comment
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BJJ is divided into three aspects, sport, vale tudo, and self defense, it has more than some vale tudo applications. The self defense aspect also teaches defenses against weapons and some nifty pre-emptive strikes that could be used. But from my training in judo there was mostly throws for the clinch, very little double leg and single leg takedowns and not enouph sprawling training. Which a bjj fighter could take advantage of. Also a good judo throw is no garuntee that you will win. It will do some damgage and if its a hip throw it will have a higher percentage of knockout then other throws. But I do not think there is a bjj person that would be stupid enouph to try to end up on bottom.
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